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Will there ever be a bona fide 3rd political party?

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  1. Gainzo

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    #11 Jersey

    I think we can all agree that the 2 party system has spiraled out of control with factions digging in on their "core" beliefs on both sides of the aisle.

    For a Country with 300+ million people shouldn't we have more than 2 choices when it comes to party affiliation? Moderate Republicans are called RINO's while left wing liberals are accused of hating America.

    The thing that bothers me the most is that elected officials always seem to be running for office and will base their votes on what is best for them when it comes to the next election.

    Based on this Voter Turnout: 2008 General there are more Independents registered in Mass than Democrats or Republicans.
     
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    I for one hope I see the day. The system we have in my opinion sucks. I think this way for 2 general reasons.

    1. The two party system in many cases leads a voter to pull the party line, R/D regardless of situation is always right (see this forum for a multitude of examples). We have so many bright intelligent people in the country (and some dumb ones to be sure) who get blinded by this R v D thing, when in reality the best course is usually somewhere in between. I have yet see a "best solution" be come from either extremes.

    2. As an independent myself, the two party system means that there really isnt a group that closely represents my beliefs. There are issues that i agree with the right on, mostly fiscal ones (let me state that by right, i mean true republican fiscal views, not this crazy brand of neocon religious infused stink running around calling themselves Republicans), and issues, in this case social ones, that i lean left on. For me personally a Libertarian party would be close to ideal. I say close because I dont agree with them on something’s also (Ron Paul's gun views for example).

    I feel that a lot of the hate going around now comes from the two party system itself. Our elected leaders tend to pull the party line, and in many cases, rather than trying to solve problems, only place blame for the existence of it, all as a means to stay in power. And this trickles down big time to us the citizen. If I could change our system, with the end goal being more parties, and thus people to choose from, the first things I (slightly OT) would do are:

    1. Two term limits for everyone, 4-6 years max each.
    2. Get as much of the money out of politics as possible and reform campaign financing. Limits on how much A CITIZEN can contribute. No corporation money, no union money, only money from an individual would be allowed, with a cap on it, thus meaning that John the millionaire can contribute as much as Joe not-millionaire.
     
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    The primary process as it exists today seems to create much of the problems. I am not sure third parties would help or hurt. I've heard both sides of that arguement. I do agree that campaign finance reform is becoming an issue that needs more discussion.
     
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    That pretty much sums it up. The amount of money flowing into candidates coffers is outrageous. Why does a candidate need hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars to get elected?

    IMO only individuals should be able to contribute to candidates. No Corporations, no Unions, no "DNC/RNC Governors Associations," etc
     
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    Yeah the moderates on the left should separate from the hard left socialist/communist/progressives or whatever the statist are calling themselves these days.
     
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    Huh? Are you content with the current 2 party system or would you like to see a viable 3rd party that may change the way people think/vote?
     
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    And those of us of a constitutionalist, libertarian bent need to separate ourselves from the hard right statist, progressive, Fascist, Globalists or whatever they are calling themselves these days.
     
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    Yep get rid of RINO's and big government pubbies.
     
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    So you are content with the current party system :confused:
     
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    Except that they are the "mainstream" "party leaders" in the Republican party. Similar to the socialist, progressive, globalists having taken over the Democratic party. See, they are the two sides of the Big Government party and they have the gall over the last decade to be bickering over the spoils of what they thought was a permanent put down of small government, American exceptionalist constitutionalist people who used to belong to both parties. Hence the large number of unregistered voters.
     
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    That is why the Tea Party is feared by the pubbie establishment almost as the dems
     
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    I don't see the Tea Party as a viable 3rd political party.
     
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    WHY? The establishment in both parties support expanded unsustainable government that will bankrupt the states and Federal government. The Tea party is the only group opposing the status quo.

    Hopefully they will take over the republican party.
     
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    Because I have no idea what the Tea Party actually wants to do. What do they want to do? Are they going to cut defense spending? Are they going to lay-off public employees?

    When Michele Bachmann is leading the charge I get concerned as I think she is crazy. Crazy in a bad, "I'm not playing with a full deck" kind of way.
     
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    Yes. And Yes. And so much more to reverse the sprawl and intrusive overreach of the Federal Government.

    meh, I'd hit it. ( I just hadta!:D)
     

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