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Will Pats fall victim to SB loser Jinx???

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  1. aztecafut

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    I really dont see it happening since IMO the pats are still the best team in the NFL. (I hope i dont sound too much like a homer) Other fans area sure hoping it will happen although this fox sports writer doesnt seem to convinced it will happen either. Check out this article:

    msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8186744/Jinx-has-its-work-cut-out-for-it-in-Patriots

    What do you guys think? Do you think the Pats will be jinxed after losing the SB and not make the playoffs this year?
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  2. Sean Pa Patriot

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    #12 Jersey

    The Pschye of this team after the SB loss and the offseason that followed will be the key, but with Belichick and Brady we are poised to succeed..
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    I honestly can't see the Pats not winning the division.
  4. aztecafut

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    And succeed we will. Go Pats!!! This jinx aint got nothin on us! :D
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    hell to the no they wont!
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    It is a fluff piece that doesn't address why the jinx is real and how these factors are either present or not present. There is quite a bit of overlap here with the factors that makes winning back to back very difficult.

    1) You start your off season preparations late. You have the least amount of time of any of the other teams to prepare for the draft, re-sign players and consider FA acquisitions. (same deal with the SB winner) Avg.

    2) Huge let down. Not only are you getting a late start, but you are depressed which could hurt motivation. Here the Patriots probably have it worse than most. I doubt the Patriot staff was nearly as depressed post the SB loss to the Bears, when nobody even expected us to make the playoffs this year, this year was different. Much worse than avg.

    3) Additional factor distraction over the Rams walkthru. BB didn't even have chance to view the tapes of the SB three days later, he was dealing with other stuff. Pretty obvious what that other stuff was. Unique

    4) Sense you had your shot and the window is closing/closed. Better than avg.

    5) Late draft pick. You don't get to pick until #31 normally. Much much better than avg.

    6) Player have less time to heal in the off-season. Avg.

    7) Typically a tough schedule. better than avg

    8) Other teams are gunning for you. Much worse than avg.
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    There is no such thing as jinxes, pre-destination or locks.

    See: An 18-0 Bill Belichick coached team losing in the Super Bowl to Eli Manning.
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    I have thought about it. Compare what happend to the Pats is kind of like what happened to the Mets last year, and look at the Mets body of work so far. Not good. Last years collapse totally carried over.

    On the other hand, BB is no Willie Randolph. And Tom Brady is nowhere near Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Beltran, ect. So no way in hell does the jinx happen.
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  10. aztecafut

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    Do you really think Other Teams will be gunning for the Patriots this coming season? :rolleyes:
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    Doubt it.

    Teams will be much more concerned with the Jets, seeing as how they closed the gap and all.
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    I'd take the Bills for 2nd place over the Jets easily. I really like what the Bills are doing. The Jets are just treading water -- it's only a matter of time before Mangini is pushed out of town.
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    So...

    ...how do they explain the Bills losing 4 times in the Super Bowl in a row?
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    They saved it all up for the 15 years afterwards :p
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    Same as every other year ... health because we have the talent.
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    This isn't the first "Super Bowl loser jinx" story that I have seen and it surely will not be the last. If nothing else, we have learned from last season that there are a number of sports writers that rehash an old story under their own name as breaking news.

    This is also a case of using statistics to back your theory rather than using statistics to form an opinion. For example, I believe this jinx theory is not true, so here are my statistics. All of the numbers below reflect results in the Super Bowl era.

    Of the 41 times a team has lost a Super Bowl:
    7 times that team won their conference and returned to the SB the next year
    15 times that team won their conference and returned to the SB in the next two years
    20 times that team won their conference and returned to the SB in the next three years
    4 times that team won the SB in the next two years
    7 times that team won the SB in the next three years

    As far as coming back with a winning record, making the playoffs, or winning the division - I'm not going to take the time to go through those numbers but I guarantee that I could make those stats look favorable too.


    Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
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    We have been getting to the playoffs for the past decade, of course 3 have been SB victories, and the Pats under Kraft, Pioli and Coach Belichick are just superb in being consistent with that. I strongly think this year is our year. I mean since SB 39 we have been in the playoffs even after winning the previous 2 superbowls. So loosing it don't mean crap but to try harder and be perfect (oops they tried that), didn't work so now its just "GO OUT THERE AND WIN THE DAMN THING"
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    Another thing to consider when comparing the Pats to those other teams: the Pats don't build their time with only one year in mind. For example, the Bucs added offense to a team with a great defense in it's last chance to win. The Ravens went out and signed free agents, rolling the dice that a SB win would be worth the following salary cap hangover. And some of those teams that made it to the SB and lost (e.g., Bears) may have been the best in their conference, but they were probably not even among the best five teams in the NFL that year.
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    If the Jinx is to continue it will be because Brady gets injured and out for a good part of the season or on IR and Matt Cassell is our QB :eek: - Then the Jinx is in full swing and the Patriots go 6-10

    Otherwise nothing other than critical injuries to key players will keep this team from winning the East at the very least.
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    Trust me, if anything happens to Brady this season, that will be our superbowl jinx.

    Oh, someone already beat me to it.
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    FYI-if Hassellbach got a CLEAN exchange from center in that NFCDG against the Bears last year, they would have ended up scoring the winning points, advancing to the NFCCG, and possibly the Super Bowl after that.

    Really-this whole "Super Bowl loser" curse is somewhat of a myth, really. So what if a few teams stunk it up the last few years?
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    If it hasn't been mentioned, I don't think anything but an injury can keep a 16-0 team out of the playoffs the next year. It isn't as if the Pats have a tough schedule, but they do play a few west coast games that will take some conditioning. I don't expect much from the Dolphins, Jets and Bills when it comes to playoff contention. I can't see any of them being pushovers, but with Randy Moss, Welker and Brady, a big season is possible with tons of scoring.
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    Meh, even Matt Cassell or some random loser free agent could get this team into the playoffs. Yes, they probably wouldn't win the Bowl, I'm just saying they wouldn't be a crap team that wouldn't miss the playoffs totally.
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    What worries me most are injuries that seem to happen after a long season, it seems that every time we have been in a Superbowl the following year has been plagued with serious injuries.. maybe they do not have enough time to heal.. not real sure, but without regard this team is deep, but if we get hit in key areas we will make the playoffs.. but will have a hard road ahead.

    Then we can start threads blaming the training staff again.. cannot wait!!
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    As a New Englander I know curses. The curse of the Bambino was frightening for 86 years until somebody turned on the lights and it was just lack of starting pitching.

    Curse/schmerse. Things happen for a real reason, not mumbo-jumbo.
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    I agree. Sure some teams will surprise, but given two rags to riches teams on that schedule... Besides, who wins the division?

    No, without Brady they don't go deep in the playoffs, but they make the playoffs.
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    NO - This team does NOT make the playoffs without Brady in the offense PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    - If somehow Brady does get injured in the early part of the season I am ready to bet any one in here (with proceeds to a charity) that the team does NOT go to the playoffs.

    Matt Cassell leading this team into the playoffs,if Brady is hurt early in the season??? - You're freaking nuts!!!!!!!

    I think the Bills would win the division if Brady got injured with the Jets as a longshot although the Jets potentially may have the best OL in the league this year,at least on paper right now - But if the Pats falter,the Bills are the next logical choice.
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    I agree. It is not a curse. It happens for several reasons. Often you lose star players, your coaching staff has less time than other teams to prepare for the next season, your team is frustrated that results in lower motivation, if some player(s) blame another player(s) for the lose their can be friction within the team, late draft pick, etc. Some factors are worse than others for the Pats some are not as bad. There are concrete reasons why teams often have a bad season the following year, it is not a curse, but it is a trend.
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    Seriously, you think the Bills will go over 8-8? Say 9-7. OK, I'll bet you a line of the winners choosing. I say the Bills do not go 9-7 or better.

    Oh, if Cassel has to start I can still see the Patriots doing 9-7 and winning the division. I can't see the Jets, Dolphins, or Bills doing 9-7.
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    We only lost one starter (Covlin, Seau wasn't a starter initially) from last year, and maybe Stallworth if you want to include him. If Hobson or Mayo step up this year we may have a better team then last year, meaning it would take a big drop off to not make the playoffs.
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