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  1. ALP

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    what do you guys think? i personally say that it will be bettter this yr

    meaning they are more efficient, and probably come close to point total scored of last yr

    but the offense will be better in the second half of the season, and the losses we will have would be in the first half of the season

    in other words, the offense will be switched, it will be OK hte first half, and amazing the second half (unlike the season past)
     
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    And you're basing this off of ... ?

    If anything, our opponents will have a better idea of how to defend the offense, so I find it hard to believe that we will be better than last year.
     
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    It will be very tough to better than last year.

    But here are some things that could make it possible.

    Chad Jack - if he can reach his potential and step and be the #3 reciever

    Watson/Dave Thomas - After Watsons injury last year TE production plummited. If these two can be better than the TE position was last year.

    Maroney/Morris/Faulk....McFadden - I have made this point alot in explaining why I want McFadden. The only way I can see the offense being better than last year is if the Running attack is much better. This can happen many ways. We may have the answer in Morris so long as he stays healthy. Maroney should continue to improve and I don't see Faulk regressing yet. But IMO a shore way of improving the running game is McFadden.

    Jake Long - A stud Olinmen can do a lot to help an Offense.


    Everything above will not be enough if Brady, Moss, and Welker don't pick up right where they left off in the regualr season.
     
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    I'm thinking the Pats will be successful offensively, but not the same way they were last season. I expect points scored to drop a bit, but hopefully time of possession will increase with more of a running threat.

    Defenses found ways to take Moss out of the offense later in the year, and the playoffs. I expect that to continue to some degree, but with Morris back at running back the offense may resemble the 2004 offense more than last year's run and shoot. That type of team won't regularly put up 40+ the way last year's team did, but they'll be good, and they'll keep the opponent's offense off the field for long stretches.

    A lot depends on the OL too, as always. If the line gets a year 'better' rather than just a year 'older', Brady and McDaniels will have both passing and running options to choose from, with great talent in both camps. If the line looks like they did in the Superbowl, however, those weapons aren't going to have time to excel.
     
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    There's a reason our offense slowed down towards the end of last year...teams learned how to defend it.

    Unless McDaniels can pull a miracle out of his behind, there's no reason to believe our team will be able to put up the same numbers as last year. We have the same, if not better, talent. But we won't be able to average 40 points like we did last year in the first half simply because people know how to defend us a little better now. (namely, they know how to defend Randy Moss a little better)
     
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    In terms of the pieces, if everyone stays healthy it should be better. With the possible exception of Brady, Moss and possibly Sammy Morris, everyone is in the growth stage of their careers. Assuming health, based on that alone the offense should be better.

    But you do bring up a variable. There was some element of shock and awe to it last year and teams defended better at the end of the season. Weather was a factor of course, until the Super Bowl. That was just a beatdown by a tremendous pass-rushing team.

    Of course the Pats will adjust as well. Maroney will be much better. He'll be more involved in the passing game too.

    Teams aren't going to give up the big plays, so while it's possible the points numbers and Brady's TDs, etc aren't up to the ridiculous standard set last year, the offense will still clearly be our best unit, and is a threat to score a TD on every drive no matter the field position.
     
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    i believe we will be close to last yr in points scored...

    but yes, i see our offense much more effective as part of the whole

    being able to run and pass equally well, and using more time to score

    and scoring in the 30's of every game

    but other teams learning how to defend us will only make us use new ways of attack
     
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    It is almost impossible to be more productive than the offense was last year. There is almost no chance of that. They could be more balanced, more versatile, etc.

    Better is subjective. With good health they will remian the best offense in football.
     
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    our O will be better than last year and so is our D.
     
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    I agree, but I think it will be better from Week 1 on through, for a variety of reasons.

    The notion that the offense won't reproduce its success this season is ludicrous. Going into last season, the roles and production of Moss and Welker were not sure things. McD, BB and Brady - the three most important people in the creation of the offensive game plan - will now all have an offseason to sit down and think about how best to use these guys now that they have a season of working with Moss/Welker. They'll have a full offseason to work on implementing that plan, and they'll have a full offseason to combat the way teams were playing us down the stretch.

    Add on top of that the fact that Chad Jackson projects to be a much better fit at the #3 option IF he reaches some of his potential, and I think the upside of the 08 offense is far higher. At worst, Jabar is a solid 3.

    They'll also have a healthy Sammy Morris, who should help bring more balance to the offense. He might not be the explosive runner Maroney is, but he was getting consistent production, and he might even be more important than Maroney in keeping D's honest.
     
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    It is ludicrous to think the Pats don't average 37 points per game next season? Even though they averaged 27 the last 9 games of 2007?
     
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    This is a hard call. I can see both pros and cons of what has been posted.

    IMO, it is FAR too early to make a decent guess at this point in the season.

    Questions to be answered.

    - Who will become the number 3 WR and will that be an improvement?
    - Who will be the new Blocking TE and will that be an improvement?
    - Will Morris make it through preseason with some heavy contact?
    - Will Neal recover and stay healthy this season?
    - Will there be an improvement in the OLine espeically for run blocking?
    - Will Faulk stay healthy as he is getting older?
    - Will Moss continue to play at the high level he did last year now that he has his money?
    - Will the open receiver really become Brady's favorite receiver again?
    - Will Offense come up with a different look and new ways to utilize Moss?

    I am sure there are many other unknowns.

    One thing ... they say PATs have an easier schedule ... but that's based on
    how teams did last year.
     
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    You conveniently and arbitrarily go back to Week 12, ignoring that the Pats came out of the bye week by dropping 56 points on the Bills at Buffalo.

    On what are you basing that this offense is going to get worse than this season? Weather, toughness of opponent (3 of those 9 games are playoff games) were factors in the drop in production. They may be a factor again this season as well. Basically, the Pats offense was slowed down for a couple of games (NYJ and NYG), and that curbed the overall insane production level they had going.

    Do you honestly think that the league "figured something out" on how to deal with Moss and Brady, and that the team's offense is not going to be as successful as it was in the 07 season. Do you really think that even if that were the case, McD and BB will just throw up their hands and say "oh well" and not even try to combat that?

    So other than your skewed statistical analysis, explain to me why this offense will not be as successful next season as it was this year.
     
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    Since i don't think scoring tons of points early, then struggling, then losing the Superbowl is good, I'll say yes.

    Maroney and Morris being used consistently will give us an offense that can't be stopped when it counts.

    Total points mean diddly. Integrating that passing offense into a complete versatile offense is the key.
     
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    He was right to ignore that fact.:D I'm still trying to forget...

    But to the topic of the thread, I think the Pats will be slightly worse on offense this year. It'll be hard to top the kind of points they put up this past year.
     
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    I don't think the O will be as productive, but I'd like to think that they can be more effective next year. I'm almost inclined to feel that they went away from what got them there last year, and it cost them in the end. I see them generating a plan to spread out what was successful last year in garnishing the individual records and creating a more team oriented success this year.
     
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    In a word - yes. The rest of the league figured out a better way to defense the Patriots offense in the second half of last season. From the Philly game on they were defensed better than they had been in the first half of the season.

    If you want to add back in the 10th game (as you seem to be hung up on) the second half the points per game are 30 - still well off the 40 they averaged in the first half.

    Of course, 30 points per game still makes them the best offense in the NFL but that wasn't the question. It was will they be better. I don't believe they will be better than the 2007 offense which was only the best offense statistically in NFL history.
     
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    Will they break every record they set this year? Maybe not, but I think the offense will be better and more effective. BB was in GFY mode most of the season and took the chance to bury teams and pile on scores. I'm not sure they'll take the same approach next year, and one of the main reasons to keep Brady and Moss in the game until the end was to work on chemistry. Last season represented a calculated effort to set history and destroy teams, and it fell just short.

    So you're getting too caught up in the points. I don't think there is a true "blueprint". The Giants themselves said they looked to Romeo's game plan from the FOURTH week of the season for inspiration on how to stop this team and ultimately it largely came down to execution, as a very similar game plan - for both teams - led to the Pats dropping 38 on them a few weeks prior. If the blueprint is to have an amazing defensive line and pray to god that said d-line gets to the QB before Moss can rape and pillage the secondary, bottom line is not every team is going to pull that off, in fact, few are. The Giants are one of the few teams that could do it, and it basically took the stars aligning to make it happen.

    And that's not to say we're just going to roll out the same game plan and adjustments as we did this season. They have an entire offseason to plan and implement something new. I think we'll see more balance in the offense in 08, so that in the offchance that a team has the personnel to actually implement the "blueprint", they can combat it with a successful running attack and short and intermediate passing attack.
     
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    Putting aside the points for a second, which offense do you think will be more effective? I think folks are getting caught up in the records and points.
     
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    Its simply not realistic to predict the 2008 Patriots offense will be a better STATISTICAL offense than the 2007 Patriots. Not impossible, but extremely improbable. Not only would it be a hard task to replicate those results even though the talent is the same but, more importantly, people are forgetting one HUGE factor when making predictions. Injuries. The cog of the Pats offense last year were Brady, Moss, Welker, and the OLine. That cog was injury free last year, except for possibly the OLine getting a little banged up towards the playoffs.

    That said, I do agree with some posters who have suggested next years offense may ultimately be more effective with the 2 headed running attack, and thus less susceptible to getting shutdown should a bad defensive matchup like the Giants come up.
     
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