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    The BP injury guru shares his best guess after watching the hit on Brady on TV:

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    I'm sorry, who is this?
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    He's an analyst on Baseball Prospectus, he knows a lot about baseball and baseball biomechanics, but I'm skeptical about his football expertise.
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    He's been doing injury analysis for football for a while now, he just hasn't found a consistent media platform for it.
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    Carroll also works at the Football brother of Baseball Prospectus, FootballOutsiders.com, as a staff writer. He does know football.
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    Egh, not sure waht to make of that. If it is the PCL, on one hand I don't like the idea of Brady playing with an injury that doesn't really have any comparable. If it means he can be back this season though, that is good news. If he did hold off on surgery, what's the timetable on a PCL?
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    Well, its a pretty analysis, except his knee didn't go backwards.
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    First off, I'm not a medical professional. Watching the replay over and over again, my take is that Pollard's helmet hit Brady in the leg below just below the knee. Watch Brady , after the hit he grabs the same spot where Pollard's helmet hits (below the knee). As far as I know it can be his knee, it just doesn't look like it. Perhaps a deep bruise on his lower leg. I doubt it is a broken leg because of him being able to walk off. I think this can be best case scenario.
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    ok so how long before it heals?
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    Yeah it looks like it went sideways from what I could see. What that means I have no idea.
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    Fully torn ligaments don't heal. Merriman has been playing on a torn pcl since his rookie year.
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    Well, just got back from watching the game, and let me say... I hope the Chiefs don't win a game this year, the dirty bastards. Screw them. As far as Carroll's analysis, my girlfriend had the exact same impression of the injury, that it's likely a PCL. Obviously she's not the trainer or someone with access to Brady, but she is a certified OT and gross anatomy instructor, and has an excellent working knowledge of bio-mechanics and serious knee injuries. The first thing she said is that Brady hurt his PCL when we saw the hit. Compared to what it COULD be, I hope she, and Will Carroll, are right.
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    Going off one pic he's definately opened the joint up so it could just be a sprain. It's best to just wait and see.
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    I'm no expert, but I've had 2 torn ACL's, 2 bi-lat meniscus tears and another small meniscus tear, and 3 knee surgeries. You can't go through all that without learning at least a little about knee anatomy.

    From what I could see it looked like the hit was on the outside of the knee, forcing the knee to bend toward the inside. So my guess is a sprained MCL (medial collateral ligament). But I am far from certain of this - you certainly can't make a diagnosis by watching a replay on TV. If it is an MCL, however, my recollection of recovery time for other players with that injury is 3-4 weeks. Of course it also depends on the degree of the sprain. But I don't believe sprained MCL's usually warrant surgery - their is enough blood supply to that ligament for it to heal on its own.
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    Whatever way you all look at it, the Pats are screwed. Brady will be out for a while. Kiss the playoffs goodbye.
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    Wow, that's awfully pessimistic. Say he's out 6 weeks - you really think this team can't tread water and make a run when he returns to win the division and make the playoffs?
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    I saw the same thing he was not grabbing his knee.It was right below the knee. i know this spot i have had too many slap shot with hockey stick and it sure sends a stinger. I also broke it when my uncle slap shot me and i assure you once you break it their is no walking.
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    That's just crazy talk. Let's assume it's a sprained knees of some sort (as was discussed in a post above). Let's assume best case scenario and Brady is out 3-4 weeks. We face the Jets and Dolphins, then we have a Bye week. If the Pats can split the next two and Brady comes back to face the Chargers after the Bye, that would put us at 2-1 heading into the Chargers game.

    How in the hell is that "kiss the playoffs goodbye"?

    What? you don't like my assumptions? Well, you're assuming he'll be out for a while, assuming they're screwed and assuming the playoffs are not possible. I don't like your assumptions either.

    How about waiting until you hear official word and if Brady is out for 3-4 months, then you can hit the panic button. I, for one, wouldn't panic in that scenario. It is what it is. We'd either get good QB play from Cassel or we would not. If we don't, no playoffs. Nothing to panic about.
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    I hope you are right my friend
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    Between the team being good and our schedule being bad, I would be shocked if the Matt Cassel led Patriots didn't make the playoffs.

    But feel free to stop cheering for them.
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    Well, I don't like what I heard about 10-15 minutes ago from Lee Goldberg who was in Foxboro covering the game.

    A Patriots employee told him yelling could be heard from within the Patriots locker room after Brady's injury, and some members of the team believe the injury is serious.
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    Hell,

    I didn't see anything in today's game that would make me overly worry about missing the playoffs. Cassell played well and the RB's and WR's did also. The OL played a lot better than they did in the pre-season, and the big three up front on the D-line were solid. Heck, even Hobbs played well. He must not have got the memo from the posters here about how lousy he was.

    Out of Miami and the Jests, only the latter worry me a bit because of Favre and we having to go down there to play them. However, I still believe that we can win both games without Brady if needs be. That gives him almost 4 weeks to heal up before the SD game.

    It's nice, however, to see who all the fair-weather fans are around here. :)
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    My guess is that anything short of them telling Brady he could return to the game on the next play would result in him screamingand yelling a lot.

    not saying its good news, certainly, but i'm sure brady was pissed. not sure it says anything about the extent of his injury.
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    Go away troll......you just wish the Pats were done.....but it's not happening.....this team has too much talent and leadership to be effected negatively by one player's injury. Pats will be fine, they might lose a few more than originally planned (or they might not, as Cassell showed good poise today), but they will still win the division......
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    I don't know why we keep allowing these trolls into our forum. They bring nothing to the table.
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    There is no doubt he has a serious injury because he has proven in his career that he plays through significant injuries that others don't (sports hernia for example). If it wasn't serious he'd have come back in.

    I think the only question is how serious it is. 2 Weeks? 4, 6, 8? Season ending?
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    BB needs to do something about these "employees" that love to run their mouths to the media.
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    Garbanza, you sound upset. We all are. Give it a couple days, you'll be ok.

    Painful as it is to contemplate a Brady-less Pats team, this roster would still have a lot of talent and a lot of character...and would feel they had a lot to prove. I'm not writing them off, not by a long shot.
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    The internet is full of foolishness.
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    I understand this, and I've lost my temper after suffering injuries as well, so it could just be that he's upset over simply getting injured. Goldberg also added something like "it wasn't a pretty scene", and seemed to think it was serious, but hopefully the employee he talked to was incorrect.
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