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  1. DonBlackmon55

    DonBlackmon55 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Seems to be that the switch was made to 4-3 to become a more attacking Defense. However, despite that scheme change, combined with all the personnel moves, the "personality" of this defense remains unchanged - passive.

    There is no leadership on the field with this defense, anywhere. Just 11 guys running around like chickens with their heads cut off. Back then with Vrabel, Rodney, Bru, law, even if the team was not as talented "on paper" with the defensive stud athletes, they played smart and had mental toughness.

    Last few years of adding average players like TBC, Burgess, now pick your litter of others, combined with poor drafting has caught up. Rather than adding impact players to a good group of vets and make this Defense absolute terror, BB gambled away picks for more depth type average players like Butler, Brace, Spikes, Cunningham, Crable, McKenzie, Willhite, wheatley, merriwether......list is unending. Either they were busts or could not be coached up.

    So, what we have left today is a Defense with no impact players, identity, or even a threat the other teams need to account for. A defense that has no key cogs to be able to play 3-4, or terrorize other Offenses with pass rushing 4-3 DT/DE's

    Gonna be a looooooooong season.

    They way Raiders are kicking Jesters around, Pats are in for one heck of a streetfight next week. and then.......Plaxico vs. McToasty, uuuggh
     
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    Hey what up? BILLS WON I TOLD ALL OF YOU. WHOOOOOO!
     
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    McCourty is going to be thoroughly embarrassed if he doesn't start playing the ball and getting his hands on the receiver. Plaxico's bread and butter is that fade.
     
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    in b4 30 responses to this painfully obvious troll.
     
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    not a troll. just an excited fan.

    pats played great but defense KILLED them.
     
  6. AndyJohnson

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    Huh? We are getting gashed by the run because we play 1 gap.
    We are getting beaten in the air because we are playing man.
    We are giving up more big plays than ever because of the aggressive style.
    Do you not realize that aggressive defense is high risk and high reward? Why demand aggression and complain about the risk?

    This isnt worth responding to, because its just something you made up. You have no clue what kind of leadership is happening. Good results mean there is leadership, bad results mean there are no leaders and they are mentally soft is a horrendous argument.

    I don't understand your point. What did you want him to draft with his 2nd 3rd and 4th round picks, Hall of Famers?

    Wilfork, Mayo, Haynesworth, and potentially Chung, McCourty and others are impact players. How do you not consider the leading tackler in the NFL or the best DT int eh NFL impact players?

    We have the rest of the season to get this defense ready for the playoffs. This offense is 12-4 if it had the worst D in the league, and it won't


    You are worried about Plaxico Burress? Should have read that first and ignored your post/
     
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    I find it amazing how you can just Spikes and Cunningham on less than 2 years experience.

    Your judgement on Meriweather leaves a lot to be desired as well.

    This idea that he "gambled away picks for more depth type average players" is laughable as well. Have they had players not work out? Yes. Any more than any other team? No. In fact, despite the 2007 draft, the Pats still are considered one of the better drafting teams.

    There are no impact players on this defense? What do you call Wilfork, Chung, and Mayo? They are impact players, but they can't do it themselves.

    People like you rush to judgement and overlook many factors that need to be considered. Such as injuries to other players. Going into the week, the Pats knew they'd probably be without Wright. But then losing Pryor to the IR and Haynesworth being ruled out puts a huge strain on a defensive line. In fact, I down any team could go wihtout 3 of their top 6 D-linemen and be truly successful. And then you add to that not having Chung and Dowling, two of your starting DBs, that's a lot for a defense to absorb in one week.

    So, instead of running around and over-reacting, step back, take a breath, and take in everything that's happened. Not just the things you want to crucify Belichick on because you happened no to like them.
     
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    Where is our MLBs? Mayo was supposed to be the one set loose on blitzes...where? Also, Tedy used to be constantly tipping passes and getting those key INT's. Has Mayo ever?
     
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    Agreed. People highly overrate our individual players. If everyone was as good as advertised on here, we'd be the best defense in the league.

    I'm almost giving up on Mayo becoming a game changer like Bruschi and many others. He's a solid tackler, but he's not making the Bruschi plays.

    Chung -- I think he still has potential but there's a long way to go to call him an impact player. Rodney was an impact player. Chung is no Rodney (yet).

    Spikes -- no idea why ppl think he's great.

    McCourty -- I liked him alot last year. I was hoping he'd take the same kind of step Revis did from year 1 to 2. Unfortunately it hasn't happenned. Hopefully it will -- but right now our secondary is average at best.

    Vince -- Solid player, but we lack playmakers on the ends (DL or LB)
     
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    I think you believe too much of the player clippings. those teams where loaded. you just do not become Top 2-3 defense without great players.

    rodney will say no one gave us a shot even in 04 lol.. he was funny . the No 1 defense has no shot?.

    the DL was the strength , the LB were awesome and safeties where good.
    i do not under your whole the players where not the best statement that the pats would project.

    Its a personal issue right now. we do not have a bully dominant DL like seymour with vince inside create issues. with these 2 in there the OLB where matched up against TE and RB.Right now
    they double vince and play everyone man up and our OLB are going against tackles.

    I questioned the 4-3 from day one .... we should moved to a 3-4 attacking style not 4-3 with less personal. we do not have 1 great pass rusher and yesterday we learned that carter cannot play 3-4end AGAIN as he did not and is not a great 4-3end.
     
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    I'd like to see some Tampa 2, McCourty is CLEARLY more comfortable in zone coverage and the team certainly have big enough DT's to run the scheme, it would just mean Mark Anderson would have to get more play time because he actually shows some sort of pass rush unlike Carter who has vanished after a fantastic game against Tampa.

    Another thing I've noticed is how slow the Patriots front 4 are when the ball is snapped, there's a noticeable delay between the ball being snapped and the line starting to rush - compare this to the likes of the Eagles & Giants who consistently start to rush as soon as the ball is snapped with minimal delay, it almost looks like they have been told to hold back to see if it's a run or pass before going forwards, that doesn't work.
     
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    Oh, Mr. Negative has started another thread! Here's a suggestion: instead of posting here, why not put your time and energy into applying for a Patriots front office position? You seem to have ALL the answers. You could start at janitor and work your way up.

    The only thing that I see making this a looooooong season is a few more months of your nonsense.
     
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