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  1. mgteich

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    To state the obvious, so far, all has worked out.

    1) Amendola looks like he will be Brady's #1. He's looked good.

    2) As we hoped, we have a rookie at WR #2 and WR#4.

    3) As expected when he was signed, Edelman is #3.

    4) We have hopes of our rookie #4 WR moving up in the depth chart as the season progresses.

    5) We even have a rookie at #5 that we are satisfied has potential.

    6) The five players we will keep all did well enough to beat out several free agents.
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    Only the names have changed. A couple of months ago, we might have had Dobson and Boyce as #2 and #4, and a UDFA (or even a vet) at #5.
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    The bottom line was that everyone was concerned over the loss of Welker (not saying that I agree with him leaving b/c I don't, at least not over the small amt of money that was involved), and the loss of Llyod.

    Amendola has looked like he belongs and has developed a nice chemistry with Brady. At this point Belichick took a gamble on a younger player who potentially has a higher upside over the course of the next 4-5 yrs, so we'll have to live with it. The talent and chemistry looks to be there. The main concern is the injury history, which can't be predicted for the future.

    Thompkins actually seriously looks like a possible upgrade over Lloyd, who I'd have been fine with keeping as a WR3 or WR4, but never wanted to retain as the WR2/outside receiver. His talent, speed, etc were definitely limited. Thompkins looks as though he can come close to replicating Llyod's statistical production, while even upgrading some of the things that he failed at such as YACs and beating man coverage.

    The other question was how to replace Hernandez---and although that will be tough, it appears as though they'll call on the next man up and go from there. Sudfeld + more of a running game can help to offset that loss.

    In the end they may have a definite learning curve, but there is potential to be improved in certain areas too--or at least on par with last season, 2011, and 2010.
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    I would of never thought this in early July, but Brady should have enough weapons to work with.

    Primary Targets:
    1. Gronk
    2. Amendola
    3. Thompkins

    Secondary Targets:
    4. Sudfeld
    5. Vereen
    6. Edelman

    Bonus Targets: (If one of these three can step up it's a bonus)
    7. Dobson
    8. Boyce
    9. Fells

    The Key is of course Gronk/Amendola being 100% for when it counts the most.
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    Amendola is a downgrade from welker but I see Thompkins as a upgrade over Lloyd and Dobson and Boyce are upgrades over who ever was 4 and 5 last year,

    the big thing is how long will Gronk be out cause without him they may have a hard time getting more then 25 points per game. the good thing is they don't play a good offense until week 4 at the falcons so they could be 3-0 with gronk comeing back for that game
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    I agree with most of what you say for sure. I also tend to not look past the first few games though, even though we'll be favored nicely in all 3.

    As we saw last night (and in many other instances), any team can have a bad night and any team can gain some momentum and have a good day.

    While I wouldn't expect anything less than 2-1 to start the year, I wouldn't be outright shocked if they had a rough game in one of the first 3. It's just the law of averages. That said, I wouldn't be betting against them in any of those 3 games either ;)
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    If Thompkins and Suds get a lot more reps and Brady favor...they could easily rise fast.
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    yeah...well...all I got to say is...I don't rise as fast as I used to...this saucks...:heh:
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    At your age, you're lucky that you rise to the occasion at all :cool:
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    The New England Patriots rang up 518 points during the 2010 NFL Season with the following cast of characters:

    Brady
    BJGE
    Woodhead
    Gronkowski (rookie)
    Hernandez (rookie)
    Welker (coming off ACL surgery)
    Moss/Branch
    Tate

    2010 New England Patriots Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com

    I'm more concerned about the depth and health of the New England Patriots offensive line.
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    With Cannon (hopefully soon) and Connelly returning, things should be okay. I'm not as high on Svitek as some here are, but maybe he just had a bad performance last night.

    Another aspect to consider is the return of Nick McDonald to the roster in a couple/few weeks, as one would think that he's definitely on the shadow roster and could return as soon as he gets healthy.

    Next year we'll almost certainly be taking a higher round pick (rounds 1-3) on the interior lineman position, but I sure would've felt better with a decent free agent signing.


    Solder
    Mankins
    Wendell
    Connelly
    Vollmer
    Cannon

    *top 6*

    Svitek, Stankiewitch/Zusevics, and maybe McDonald rounding out the next 2 spots. Any combination of 2 out of those 4 in my opinion.
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    I'm still going to be a little cautious until we've seen an actual NFL game but the OP is right - we're at the higher end of our pre pre-season expectations (if not surpassed it with Thompkins and Studfeld).


    And I just want to mention Quentin Sims, Mark Harrison and TJ Moe who will all hopefully be waiting in the wings and are all interesting prospects.
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    I thought Moe landed on Injured Reserve?
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    He did so he's in play for next year.
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    No offense, I'm most interested in Mark Harrison then Quentin Sims, if the New England Patriots value Quentin Sims as a practice squad player.
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    TE is obviously a disappointment vs. how it looked early in the offseason, with the biggie of course being Hernandez' career-ending circumstances, and other disappointments being Gronk's slow recovery, Ballard's slow recovery, and Fells' ongoing/repeat issues.

    That's far more than can be offset just by Sudfeld. :(
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    Maybe the Tennant will finally pay the rent this year. ;)
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    The interior lineman position has been taken care of in my latest 2014 NFL Mock Draft (subject to change):

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england.../13/1034735-2014-mock-draft-thread-page2.html

    Refer to post #12 for details

    NFL Draft - 2014 NFL Draft Prospects - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

    Round 4 - Bryan Stork, OC - Florida State
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    None taken. I have Harrison and Sims about the same and Moe behind them. But don't sleep on a 3-cone like that. That's a BB wet dream.
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    Can they quadruple dip at DT in next years draft with no worthy depth and ageing Wilfork/Kelly :eek:

    Can see DT being an emphasis for the next couple of drafts.
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    No! :eek:

    Only because the New England Patriots may need to double dip at defensive tackle and defensive end. :p

    Nothing like getting hit in the head with a sledgehammer.
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    Not so sure Amendola is a downgrade yet. If Amendola can be reliable in catching the ball and stay healthy, he could be an upgrade. He is faster and more versatile than Welker. Welker was more dependable and able to take a lot of abuse and keep going. If Amendola works on his dependability and stays healthy, he could end up being better than Welker. No guarantee of that though.

    Thompkins seems to be far more versatile than Lloyd and could be a huge upgrade, but he is also an unproven rookie (same goes with Dobson and Boyce). So although things look good right now, there are no guarantees that it goes into the season.

    I will say Dobson, Boyce, and Edelman will all be upgrades at depth. Even though Dobson and Boyce are unproven rookies, there is no where to go but up from last year's receiving corp depth.
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    The way I see it is Amendola and Thompkins will start and Dobson will be the first guy off the bench in most cases. Edelman may or may not be more ready to go in there as the #3 WR over Dobson, but Dobson brings more of an outside and down the field presence in a three WR set which Edelman can't bring.

    I also expect to see a lot more sets like we saw in 2007. I think we will see a lot more four and five wides now that they have a couple of outside receivers. We haven't seen it in the preseason much, but I think it is coming. I think Amendola might have sat out this week so that Brady can get some continuity with his younger receivers without showing their hand on these sets.

    The good thing about this corp is that there is a lot of diversity. The Pats have a slot receiver or two, the guy who can do a little of everything, a potential deep threat, and several outside guys. Especially if the Pats go to four and five wides, it can create match up problems. No longer can teams just flood the center of the field because the Pats had only one outside threat in Lloyd.

    Granted this is all assuming the rookies actually step up and the veterans stay healthy.
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    Was listening to Johnathan Kraft the other day on the radio, and he said something to the effect about how he still cannot figure out why Welker signed with Denver. There has always been skepticism about this, and maybe he was implying that Welker's agent screwed up..

    Welker is gone, Amendola is not Welker.. but can do some of the things he did and some of the things he did differently.
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    I think Amendola is equal, if not better then Welker. I think the biggest loss is going to be Hernandez. Just what he did schematically, and the mismatches he created can't be replaced. Sudfeld looks to be good, but he's not Hernandez.
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    The wide-outs have exceeded expectations. Most of that has been Thompkins, but nonetheless they're a lot better than I thought this unit would be going into the season.

    The real fireworks haven't started yet so it's tough to gauge how these guys will react to those adverse situations that will undoubtedly come up once the games actually mean something. However, I'm still excited at their potential, much more so than I was for last season and as we know that offense was #1 in the league last year.
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    Amendola's been what was expected
    Edelman has been what was expected
    Thompkins has surprised in exhibition games
    Dobson and Boyce have shown that they aren't ready
    The veteran FAs were busts

    Outside of a potential find in Thompkins, this group is pretty much what most sane people expected it to be, for better or worse.
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    Yeah, outside a starting WR in Thompkins, you know, a guy who can run all the routes, gets open, fights for balls, is on the field all the time, the wr core is what we expected......

    Thompkins is a revelation at the WR position this summer.
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    Thompkins is an untested rookie who looks good in exhibition games. You know, a time when teams aren't really gamplanning to stop him.

    He's a potential find, not a multiple time All-Pro.
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    Dobson has shown he is good enough to be a back up with a package of plays. He has shown he isn't ready to start, but he is certainly SEEMS good enough to come off the bench and play about a dozen or so snaps a game which is an upgrade from what we have had as the first guy off the bench which is an upgrade from last year. He did get two catches from Brady for 30 yards. He may not be an every down WR, but he is looks ready to be the #3 WR.

    Too hard to tell with Boyce since he has been open several times for what would be huge plays where Mallett's throw is off.

    Considering people compared this corp to 2006, I think it is far better than some say it is. But maybe you were including those people in the insane people category. The starters have the potential to be better than last year's starters and the back ups seem to be an upgrade too.
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    They've played 3 exhibtion games. Two of them were against teams with atrocious defensive backfields, and the third was missing its CB1. And, again, they were exhibition games. I'll leave it at that.

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