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    I just want for the Patriots to show some foresight and select an impact play-maker at wider receiver from this draft. Whether or not that proves to be Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Brandon LaFell, Mardy Gilyard or Demaryius Thomas. It'll be for them to decide.

    Nevertheless, I hope the Patriots are in a position to select one of them or they're willing to take a chance on one of the aforementioned. Because this player and Edelman could be the future starting tandem at wide receiver for New England.
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    Benn is my current favorite for the Pats. I'd love to see him taken in the 2nd round. Decently big, fast, physical, playmaker who would be an ideal #2 across from Moss.
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    In my opinion, if Benn is indeed the consensus second rated wide receiver in the draft. Then New England will have no chance of selecting him even if he were to fall to the second round. Because there are too many teams selecting ahead of when New England will first select in the second round that all would need a potential top wide receiver. Among them, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Washington, Cleveland, Seattle, Buffalo and Miami.

    Depending on how each of these teams value the depth at the position they already have, I don't see them all passing on Benn if he's there. I mean all the wide receivers I'd mentioned could be gone by the time New England's first pick in the second round comes up. For this reason, Belichick might want to consider selecting that wider receiver in the first round if he feels that he can be an impact player from week one. But I doubt he sees wide receiver as that high of a priority. He should... Especially, if he sees little that he likes in free agency.
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    I think right now the consensus pre-combine is Bryant is the clear #1 and after that it's pretty unclear. People have Benn ranging from the 2nd best to the 6th or 7th best on different sites. I've seen Tate rated as the 2nd best in many places too. Tate, Benn, Williams, Lafell, Thomas, Shipley, Gilyard are all kind of in that 2nd tier mix at the moment. Their stocks will probably be more clear after they run at the combine.
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    Benn is insanely talented, my favourite guy in the whole class, but he'll be a first rounder by the time the Combine has been and gone, meaning if we want him we'll have to take him then. And I'd rather us use that first rounder on the trenches.

    When I look at the Draft class, I divide the receivers in to two groups - speed and size.

    If we're going after a speed guy, then Tate, Gilyard, Ford, Williams, Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders are the guys I'm heavily interested in (especially Brown who I've watched a fair bit on tape).

    If we're going the size route, then Benn, Decker, White, Alexander, Cooper, Mike Williams (although those red flags are concerning), Ajirotutu, and Bryan Anderson are the ones under consideration.

    I'd have included Freddie Barnes in there but he isn't that big or that fast and lacks a little explosion. Hopefully he shows something at his Pro-Day.
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    In terms of size, Easley is strong as an ox, and likely faster than all those guys too.
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    Yep, I want NE some Easley in the 6th or 7th rounds. If the Pats breakdown and draft Gilyard (2nd) or Antonio Brown (3-4), Easley, and sign Brian Anderson to a Free Agent contract I will think positive things about the receiving corps. :cool:
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    The guy who wrote this is obviously suffering some kind of inadequacy, but I thought the football observations were worth posting since they matched what I saw in the Shrine Game.
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    If we're talking about selecting an impact wide receiver in this draft, let's not leave Damian Williams out of the conversation.
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    But then he goes and breaks the cardinal rule of comparisons. . . .

    "Comparisons: Hines Ward"

    :p
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    In the comments he said "Ah, of course I was pointing how a hard working, physically talented player with great stats can be rated a bit too low for, possibly, reasons not pertaining to skill".

    I don't like how all white receivers are now "the next Welker". IMO, Blair compares to Massaquoi from last year.
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    Actually, he strikes me as something like a bigger Edelman. ;)
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    Behave.

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    I don't see him being around when we pick at #22, or indeed worth using a first round pick on. He's polished and what not, but I like players with huge upside if we're picking in the first round. If he's there at #42 though, I'd have a hard time not picking him.
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    Easley didn't impress me at the TvN game. He rounded off many of his routes and it cost him at least 2 receptions.

    Who did impress me was Juamorris Stewart. He seemed to run very precise routes and got good separation on his cuts.. Was willing to go over the middle.

    Trendin Holiday also impressed me, but at 5'5 and 165lbs, if he's going to be a receiver, it will be from the slot more than likely, though he does have the speed to go deep.
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    Easley is very raw, which is why I like him late as a project. Stewart is very interesting. Holiday has suspect hands, he played well in the game, but during the week he put the ball on the ground numerous times.
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    Now if this scouting report is accurate, Benn is probably the guy that would give this offense an extra dimension.

    2010 NFL Draft Profiles - Arrelious Benn, WR,Illinois - The Rivalry, Esq.

    Benn appears to have a good combo of size, route running ability, and quickness. I wouldn't pick a WR until round 2 though because I'd rather go Defense in round 1. If he lasts, Benn would be one of my top picks in round 2. Simply because he is strong enough to be that big, over the middle guy that the Pats haven't had since Givens, but obviously with a higher ceiling than a Givens. Benn could run those tough over the middle routes that Moss doesn't seem to like to run and leave Moss to do what he does best, stretching defenses. He's also tall, physical and, athletic enough to outleap DBs. Now Welker and Edelman are very nice slot players but I don't see them simply outleaping DBs for balls like a Benn could.

    If Benn is not there, and he probably won't, than another guy I would like is the ultra talented and fast, Golden Tate. If both of those guys are gone. I'd probably wait till the mid rounds and pick up a polished possession receiver type since those guys usually drop, and pick up a speedster in free agency.

    I know these are fairly 'safe' picks, but I'm not up to date on the 'dark horses' at WR yet. More information and better stock prediction becomes available after the Senior Bowl and Combine have been completed and the numbers are in.
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    Easley got to play in half a college football season. That's it. He's been overlooked because he was a walk-on. This kid has not had enough time on the football field during gameday.
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    Might be the first time I remember seeing reference to Benn's route-running ability. It's encouraging.

    I'm not entirely adverse to taking a WR with high upside like Benn early. But I do think it would be foolish to pass on a guy like Blair White later, whether we take a WR early or not. The more guys Tom has who are "always open" - even if it's just short and intermediate - the more we'll move the chains and the easier it will be for guys like Moss, or Benn, to succeed deep.
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    For this draft, I'm going to ignore all of the round one WRs, preferring not to draft one there. Otherwise, Golden Tate would be my target.

    IMO, BB's focus will be on those who appear to fit best from round two on:

    These are the three I like:

    Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati
    *Andre Roberts, The Citadel
    Eric Decker, Minnesota

    *Need to find another late round sleeper or two, as Roberts had that tag prior to his impressive practices at the Senior Bowl.
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    I'd love to see the Pats pick up Golden Tate. ND really wasn;t that good and for most of the season the only real weapon they had was Tate and there were many many times when he just went up and made the play on the ball.
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    Highlights

    Arrelious Benn - big, strong, physical, fast, eats up zones and underneath coverage
    YouTube - Arrelious Benn Highlights

    Golden Tate - greased lightning fast, great agility, amazing vertical to get up for the ball as well, how does he get that wide open that often?
    YouTube - Golden Tate Highlights - Nov. 30, 2009

    Mardy Gilyard - Impact return man with speed, sharp cutting ability, and dangerous vision in the open field. He's no longer a secret after his eye opening performance in the Senior bowl.
    YouTube - Mardy Gilyard Highlights
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    What? You don't see any resemblance at all to Edelman? :D

    YouTube - Blair White Top Ten Wide Receiver 2010 NFL Draft

    [On a serious note, I think he's not nearly as elusive as Welker and Edelman, but he has higher top-end speed than either, so he can get open further downfield. I think he could fill the Gaffney role the team needs.]
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    I can't imagine anybody wanting to spend a 1st or 2nd round pick to draft a Jabar Gaffney. Maybe a 4th rounder at the most. Ok he's rated a 6th round pick. Well if it's a late round pick, I suppose that wouldn't hurt. Maybe he can turn into a David Givens type for us.
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    i honestly think we grab our moss replacement next year with the raiders pick
    there are so many great WRs coming out next year
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    I prefer to draft your Moss replacement this year. Because you aren't promised next season. By drafting that wide receiver this year, you get a head start on understanding what he's good at and what he isn't good at.

    If he's for real, when the season's over, he'll know what to improve further on during the off-season. And if there isn't a 2011 season. He'll have plenty of time to improve on his skills privately. That is, if the league locks the players out from using their team's training facilities.

    Again, don't put off for tomorrow what you can just as easily do today.
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    There is no Moss replacement in this year's Draft. Not even Benn.

    You bolster the receiving corps this year, put them in a good position for 2011, and then you draft Moss' replacement and ease him in without putting too much pressure on him immediately.

    There's four guys next year with "Oh My God" potential. We have to draft one.
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