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    Greg Easterbrook had a pretty thought provoking piece in which he wrote why believed yards are better than points in regards to Offense. I don't completely buy it but the argument is pretty interesting.

    Why?

    It's not an entirely new argument, and sort of meshes with the 'finesse' accusations. He brings up the K-Gun Bills:

    Check it out: TMQ -- What's really lurking in the psyche of these Harbaughs? - ESPN
     
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    The 2007 Patriots were not just #1 in points scored. They were #1 in yards, as well.

    The 2000 Rams were #1 in yards, and #1 in points

    The 1998 Vikings were #1 in yards as well as points

    The 1983 Redskins were #1 in points, but they were also #3 in yards, so they weren't slouches. The Raiders, who won that year, were #3 in points and #7 in yards

    The 2011 Saints were "only" #2 in points, but they were #1 in yards while...

    The 2011 Packers were #1 in points and #3 in yards

    The 2012 Patriots were #1 in both points and yards


    Having two teams on his list from 2011 should have tipped Easterbrook off to the problem with his argument.
     
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    This makes no sense. You don't score a lot of points without being able to move the ball well.
     
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    your first mistake was reading anything written by Greg Bunnybrook...he's a proven liar and an agenda driven ratfaced hack.
     
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    1 ~ He immediately lost all Credibility from the outset, as he compared "Most Points Ever" not to "Most Yards Ever" but instead blatantly avoided the obvious comparison, going instead with "Yearly Yards Leaders." :rolleyes:

    And had he gone with "Most Yards Ever", he would've been forced to admit that the Top 18 All Time Highest Yards Leaders have all failed to win the Super Bowl. :eek:

    So much for Yards being "better" than Points. :rolleyes:

    2 ~ The worst part, though, was his attempt to explain his hideous distortions with the brilliant "argument" that Defenses simply didn't try as hard during the regular season!! Brilliant!! [​IMG]
     
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    every one of dose teams had a below average defense that there #1 offense was hideing all year...and the teams that did win with the #1 offense all had good defenses the 99 rams and 09 saints were not great but it was there defense that won the game for them not there offense, at the end of the day it take a good team makeing plays at the right time and a lot of luck to win a SB pats have just not had all 3 the last few years
     
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    Somewhere there is a good explanation for why the Pats seem to play less inspired football at crunch time in big playoff games. Perhaps it is an overly subjective view, but every season since 06 the team has lost to a team that seemed to want it more. That's just what it looks like from outside looking in.
     
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    To me, I will always (and have always) judged a team's strength of offense, defense, and therefore overall success by the amount of points they score and allow. Nothing else matters (as much) because points are what wins games, not yards.
     
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    There are fewer rules during the big game, so defenses can get away with much more holding/bumping/... Though why the offensive lines aren't implementing the same plan makes me wonder why they don't hold more.

    That's obviously not all of it, but it's part of it.
     
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    I hear BB in my head, telling me "stats are for losers". Yards over points?
     
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    Yet the teram that scores the most points in the Super Bowl has won 100% of the time. Hmmm
     
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    Once again, Easterbrook shows why he is a failed political analyst turned to sports writer and banished to ESPN Page 2 with all the other looneys and nutcases. He should stick analyzing teams' cheerleaders because he once again showed his lack of knowledge of football.

    Here are the #1 in yards over the last 10 years:

    2012 - Patriots - lost in the AFCCG
    2011 - Saints - Lost in the NFCCG
    2010 - San Diego - Did not make the playoffs
    2009 - New Orleans - Won Super Bowl
    2008 - New Orleans - Did not make the playoffs
    2007 - Patriots - Lost Super Bowl
    2006 - Saints - Lost in NFCCG
    2005 - KC - Lost in Wild Card Round
    2004 - KC - Did not make the playoffs
    2003 - Vikes - Did not make the playoffs
    2002 - Oakland - Lost in the Super Bowl

    So from 2002-2012, the offensive yardage leaders have won one Super Bowl, 3 Conference Championships, and missed the playoffs four times. Based on this information, you are more likely to miss the playoffs than win the Super Bowl if you lead the league in offensive yards.
     
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    Ah, sophistry!

    Yeah, because that works so well, especially against the Patriots.
     
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    This thread did a brilliant job of reminding me exactly how much Gregg Easterbrook sucks. I still can't understand why ESPN re-hired the guy.

    The amount of cherrypicking and mental gymnastics that he performs to make data "fit" his conclusions/agendas would be impressive if it wasn't so fundamentally retarded.
     
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    Aside from all the fine rebuttals already pointed out above, the first thing that jumped out to me was the dates of the second (yards) list; half were from the 1970s, and only one was from the 2000s. That alone should have been a red flag to Easterbrook to investigate his hypothesis further rather than jumping to an incorrect conclusion. This is an example of what happens when one forms an opinion first and then looks for stats to back that opinion up, rather than analyzing stats and then forming an opinion.
     
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    "Yay we won!"
    "Oh yeah? Well, we got more yards than you."

    I'd rather have 30 points than 300 yards any day.
     
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    Gregg Easterbrook is Professional Patriots Hater. Anyone can see and rip apart (and have very well, I might add, in this thread) the Swiss cheese holes in this "argument". He conconcted this number salad just simply to create another anti-Patriots article. He must have felt it was time for another one. Or something. :bricks:

    I mean, you can probably create an interesting discussion along the lines of "It's not necessarily HOW MUCH you score but WHEN you score that counts" but in doing that, the first thing you DON'T want to do is say something incredibly ridiculous like: "Why Yards are Better Than Points".
     
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