Welcome to PatsFans.com

Why would you vote for Obama?

Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by PATSNUTme, Apr 2, 2012.

?

Why would you vote to reelect Obama?

Poll closed May 17, 2012.
  1. He's a Democrat

    6.7%
  2. He's not a Republican

    13.3%
  3. I really like the job he's done so far

    26.7%
  4. His policies are the best for the country going forward

    26.7%
  5. Other reasons

    40.0%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2005
    Messages:
    15,133
    Likes Received:
    27
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #75 Jersey
    Although I don't post here often I made it clear that I'll vote for anyone other than Obama. Now before anyone calls me a racist, his race has nothing to do with it. He is the most far left and idilogical driven President I have seen in my lifetime.

    I was hoping that he would move to the center as most Presidents, right or left, do after getting elected. Instead he moved further left than when he was when running for office. He's the worse President in my lifetime and the country cannot afford to have him for 4 more years.

    So I'm just wondering why anyone would vote to reelect him. If you like him personnaly, I can understand that. If I played golf or watched a football game with him I'm sure it would be fun. But I don't want him as the POTUS after January 2014.

    But what has he done as President and what do you think he will do as President that makes you want to vote for him in November.
  2. Harry Boy

    Harry Boy Look Up, It's Amazing PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    37,495
    Likes Received:
    22
    Ratings:
    +27 / 0 / -5

    My Jersey:

    I wouldn't.
  3. Hebeill

    Hebeill Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2010
    Messages:
    1,567
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Because of the alternatives:

    Romney= a wast of a good suit. Who really knows where he stands. He'll say anything to get elected. If there was ever a flip flopper its Romney. Becoming POTUS seems more like a game to him, its a conquest.

    Sanitarium is crazy, Sanitarium is just to far out there as far as mixing religion and politics.

    After further thought i have to say that under the circumstances obama did a pretty good job. He inherited two wars, the worst financial crises since the great depression, the bush tax cuts, and a republican congress that has opposed him every step of the way. I have never witnessed or heard of such behavior in the history of the country. Over the last three year the right has done everything it could to destroy his presidency, even to the point of destroying the country. Its obvious that the right has become the party of the corporate America and the rich
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  4. Patters

    Patters Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    17,251
    Likes Received:
    18
    Ratings:
    +20 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I think Obama has had a tough time because of a solidly united Republican Party and Blue Dog Democrats. Despite that, he has done some good things. The stimulus bill is the best piece of liberal legislation in years, creating all sorts of jobs and speeding up our move to alternative energies by years. In addition, he deserves some credit for getting us out of Iraq, ending DADT, passing Wall Street Reform, passing Health Care Reform, and handling most of foreign policy in a civilized, balanced way. If he had a better Congress, he would have been better, but overall he's done a very good job. That said, it's my belief that the Republicans aim was to restrict his economic recovery plan so that he would not win re-election. The end result is that it will be a close call. The economy appears to be picking up steam, but not yet enough to ensure his re-election.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  5. Mrs.PatsFanInVa

    Mrs.PatsFanInVa PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2009
    Messages:
    14,482
    Likes Received:
    13
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    You left out an obvious choice - he's not Romney or Santorum.

    Believe it or not, there are people in The United States, voting people, who are terrified of someone like Romney or Santorum (especially Santorum) becoming president.

    A lot of them are women. A lot of them are minorites. A lot of them are former immigrants who've become citizens but remember what it was like in their old counties. A lot of them are on social security and medicare. A lot of them really believe in the separation of church and state. A lot of them are young. There are alot of people who want the wealthy to pay more taxes, not less.

    Even if I didn't like Obama, (which I do) I'd never vote for Romney or Santorum just because of their positions on women's issues and health care.
  6. DarrylS

    DarrylS PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    40,315
    Likes Received:
    19
    Ratings:
    +19 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    I like Obama of all of the candidates currently campaigning, and believe that he can do the best job.. and despite the efforts of many he has done a pretty good job..

    But there are those who will continue to try to bring him down, no matter what he does.. the scrutiny of this office has reached a new level as has the commentary.

    When he was elected Rush and his minions openly stated that they hoped Obama would fail, and this has carried over to the actions of congress who react for no other reason except Obama suggested something..
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  7. Drewski

    Drewski Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #87 Jersey
    I won't be.

    I voted for him last time but I have felt completely underwhelmed by his performance - mostly what I consider his lack of leadership qualities. The buck stops with the POTUS, but I feel like he hasn't "owned" his presidency. Given the situation was coming into office under, I certainly didn't expect miracles (I wouldn't really under most circumstances), but I did expect more than "I" got from him.

    He unfortunately had to work with a do-nothing Congress, which he really had no say in for the last two years ("he" had full control the first two), I don't completely blame him for that.

    That being said I wouldn't vote for Ricky if he were the last person on Earth and Romney leaves a lot to be desired.

    My decision, when it comes time, will be between writing in Mickey Mouse or myself.

    I should probably get used to doing it this way as as long as we have a two party system, I won't ever have a candidate that "represents me".

    Beyond that I live in MA, so my vote only counts if I vote for the D....

    D
  8. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    To put it as succinctly and respectfully as I can:

    I reject essentially every single proposition stated in the OP. In fact, I think we must be watching different presidents, because virtually nothing you've written bears any resemblance to reality.

    That being said, Obama has made mistakes. He hasn't been perfect. But I also give him credit for a solid foreign policy, the auto bailout, keeping the economy afloat, ending DADT, and Obamacare (caveats abound with this one, but I give him credit for at least trying to do something to solve the problem).

    But at the end of the day, a presidential election is a binary choice. And suffice it to say I'd vote for many of the homeless people I cross paths with every day in DC before I'd vote for Mitt Romney. I'd say the reasoning for this is half informed by my distaste for Mitt, and half for my aversion to letting the GOP have control of the executive office. Our politics in general are a mess, but the ideas (or lack thereof) being floating by the GOP are particularly noxious and destructive.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  9. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

  10. chicowalker

    chicowalker Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    12,371
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +14 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Out of curiosity, what is your lifetime?

    I'm not sure he is the furthest left, but that depends on the timeframe, I guess.

    Also disagree that he is the most ideology driven. Bush, Reagan, maybe Carter, Nixon, etc.?

    I'm not sure how you'd support the claim that he has moved further left.

    I don't think he has done a good job, though. My disappointment with him isn't even so much on policy as on his apparent judgment on various issues. I knew going in that there would be things I disagreed with him in policy-wise.

    My vote depends on the Republican nominee.

    I'd vote for him over Santorum and Gingrich, albeit not enthusiastically. I think Santorum would be a disaster, and personally I find his views on millions of Americans repugnant. Gingrich is too volatile and could be dangerous as well.

    Ron Paul? Mitt Romney? Obviously, very different candidates / options, but I could see voting for either. I really don't know what to make of Paul's policy positions as President, even though I like the libertarian approach as a starting point. I'd also want answers about the racism allegations. With either, it would depend on how the campaign goes, and choice of VP candidates could matter. (I liked McCain at the begninng of his campaign, for ex, but as time went on I thought it became clear that he had little to say, and his choice of Palin as VP was the nail in the coffin for me.)
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  11. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2005
    Messages:
    15,133
    Likes Received:
    27
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #75 Jersey
    I'm 66. I've lived through many presidents. You mentioned a few presidents so I'll give you my prospective on each.

    1. Nixon. He was certainly a little left of center when it came to domestic issues. But the was paranoid and it got the best of him.
    2. Carter was just incompetent. He had no idea what to do about anythng. He didn't go kooky left until well after he was out of office.
    3. Reagan did move to the center/right and that is why he was so popular with the people and dispised by the press.
    4. W- take away the Iraq thing and he was certainly governing from the center on many issues.

    Clinton would run to the left and then move closer to the center. His personal traits were is downfall. Don't forget the whole mortgage crisis thing began under his admin. A women in his admin went to Rubin and Summers and tried to tell them about the pitfalls of their policies and got the bums rush. Clinton himself was probably not informed about this.

    GH Bush was the most naturally centist of all. He did get conned by Mitchell and Foley.

    LBJ was a liberal, no question about it but not as far left as Obama. JFK and Ike were both centrist of different parties. I'd like to see someone in their mold running right now.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  12. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2005
    Messages:
    15,133
    Likes Received:
    27
    Ratings:
    +29 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #75 Jersey
    This is no surprise.:D
  13. PatriotsReign

    PatriotsReign Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2007
    Messages:
    24,998
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -7

    My Jersey:

    I couldn't vote because I can't help re-elect the man I helped get into office.

    I can't vote for anyone at any level of gov't office that wants to increase the level of socialist policies in America. I think that's the last thing we need right now.

    To me, I have to ask myself which candidate is willing to honestly assess US sustainability from a fiscally responsible pov. No more "seeking Utopia" for me. I'm looking for candidates who ask themselves, "what is most efficient way to allocate our resources within the constraints of our revenue moving forward?"

    I have had it with, "Let's figure out how we'll pay for this later...."

    Sadly, I don't see many/any candidates for POTUS who fit this mold....
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  14. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Yup. I have no idea what it is about the guy that causes people to completely lose their marbles.
  15. BelichickFan

    BelichickFan B.O. = Fugazi PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2004
    Messages:
    31,088
    Likes Received:
    29
    Ratings:
    +37 / 2 / -3

    My Jersey:

    #24 Jersey
    :confused::bricks::enranged::rofl::nono:

    :eek: :violent:

    :idontgetit:

    :scream:
  16. patsfan13

    patsfan13 Hall of Fame Poster PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2005
    Messages:
    24,225
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +15 / 0 / -2

    My Jersey:


    It's his policies and genreal incompetence.
  17. chicowalker

    chicowalker Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    12,371
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +14 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    thanks

    I won't go further into centrist or not since we'd first need to define what it all means, but suffice it to say, I don't think W was a centrist. (and btw, I don't think he had any need to be -- while I reject his (and probably other presidents' / pols') claims that he had some "mandate," bottom line is that he won.

    As for worst president, I'd not only say Bush was worse than Obama, I'd also say you need to look at Nixon and Carter (I'd also say Reagan, but I'm pretty sure you'd reject that out of hand :) ). In fairness to both of them, there's the obvious question of what they inherited versus what they did -- which is also relevant to Obama. But I'd still put them all below Obama.

    All that said, we have at least 1 more year and don't yet have any benefit of hindsight, so all of this comes with a lot of salt.
  18. chicowalker

    chicowalker Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    12,371
    Likes Received:
    8
    Ratings:
    +14 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    why not Paul?
  19. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Oh, his "genreal" incompetence, eh?

    And no, it isn't. It's one thing to have a rational critique of the president, like chicowalker. It's another matter entirely to call him far left, the most ideologically driven, most divisive, socialist, radical, etc.

    Fact is, he's been in office during the most difficult period since the Great Depression, dealing with an unparalleled level of obstructionism (but yeah, it's Obama who's divisive!).

    The only reason those on the right view Obama as a far leftist is because their own party has veered sharply to the right over the past 5 years or so (more or less coinciding with Obama's election).
  20. Real World

    Real World Rookie

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2006
    Messages:
    26,279
    Likes Received:
    18
    Ratings:
    +18 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Believe it or not, there are millions and millions of people who are mortified by the thought of an Obama 2nd term. It cuts both ways people.

    Personally I almost don't care. Another Obama term simply means a faster road to insolvency. Understand that on our current tragectory, there is no way this country doesn't go insolvent. My only concern with another Obama term is the possiblity of naming supreme court justices.


    I'll be voting for Gary Johnson thank you.

    Electing Romney would maybe serve to delay the debt tsunami coming our way. He's a numbers guy and manager, which is actually what we need in some sense, but he sucks too. He's a gimmick politician imo. Romneycare being a prime example. There's a policy that would never work, and hasn't. It was passed because the majority dems wanted do good policy, and Romney wanted a signature achievement he could sell when running for president. IMO it's only fitting that his gimmick policy "achievement" has become his achiles heal. Be your own man my friend.
  21. Drewski

    Drewski Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #87 Jersey
    And stay thirsty
  22. PatriotsReign

    PatriotsReign Rookie

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2007
    Messages:
    24,998
    Likes Received:
    32
    Ratings:
    +37 / 0 / -7

    My Jersey:

    I could vote for Paul if he ends up on the ballot....heck, maybe I'll even write him in.

    I just think it's one of the weakest years ever for presidential candidates at a time when we need some of the strongest and bravest.
  23. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    By what measure?
  24. patsinthesnow

    patsinthesnow PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2008
    Messages:
    8,098
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +1 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    #87 Jersey
    The politics right now are messed and that's why I never come here. :D

    I'm not a fan of Obama, but I would vote for him over that disgusting man, Santorum. I don't even understand how he has won states in the GOP Primary, it shows where the Republican Party is going.

    Romney is a classic politician, flipflopper. I would probably vote for a 3rd party candidate if I could, if it was Romney vs. Obama.

    Not a fan of the Left Economics, hate the Right Social policies.
  25. Drewski

    Drewski Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #87 Jersey
    Won't speak for RW, but exploding costs for HC in MA, and talks of raising a variety of taxes to pay for those costs; which have gone way over what the gov thought they would, for this reader does = fail.

    EDIT - Please note Jack that my fail comment deals with cost cutting, not the program itself. Since I personally have had nothing to do with RomneyCare; other than my personal premiums going up (which may or may not be related). I simply would put a fail grade next to Romneycare and Obamacare for that matter if that policy doesn't do anything to curb HC costs.

    It's all honkee-doree if you want to cover everyone, and not reject people with preexisting conditions and all of that, but if the bill doesn't do anything about costs, they its a policy for policy sake (I think RW's term is "gimmick politics").
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  26. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Relative to the rest of the country?

    I would have to say the general consensus on Romneycare is precisely the opposite of the one you and RW have drawn.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  27. Drewski

    Drewski Rookie

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,645
    Likes Received:
    7
    Ratings:
    +16 / 0 / -1

    My Jersey:

    #87 Jersey
    Jack - see my edit, explains more the point I was trying to make. However, my problem with it is that Romneycare has done nothing to lower my HC costs - which given anyone in the state is using the same bucket of Health Services I have access too (PCP, ER/Hospital etc) costs should have been curbed. They haven't based on my rates continually going up.

    Not to mention MA, since 2008 (Romneycare was 2007?) has been in the top 4 or 5 for costs in that time frame.

    EDIT - Jack below is a link comparing costs between 03-09.

    MA HC costs increased 51% for a Single and 49% for a family in that time frame. Versus the rest of the country, seems like those increases in cost are towards the top of the scale.

    http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/site_docs/slideshows/PremiumTrends/PremiumTrends.html
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  28. JackBauer

    JackBauer Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    15,156
    Likes Received:
    14
    Ratings:
    +17 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Well, I don't think either Romneycare or Obamacare are structurally capable of reversing the trend in health care costs. That would require far more invasive and command-oriented legislation. Bear in mind that, IIRC, Massachusetts' health care costs were increasing prior to and in the nascent stages of Romneycare much higher than most the rest of the nation.

    A Certain Enthusiasm: Federal Data: Health Insurance Premium Growth Has Slowed After Romneycare

    In addition, under Romneycare, coverage has expanded significantly and there have been gains in a wide variety of health and wellness metrics (Does Universal Coverage Improve Health? The Massachusetts Experience).

    None of this is to say that there aren't issues with the law. I'm only arguing that to describe it as "failed" is questionable.
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  29. Ilikehappyppl

    Ilikehappyppl Rookie

    Joined:
    May 9, 2010
    Messages:
    1,743
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Was going to vote for my first time this year but since Paul will not be getting the nod, I will stay home and drink a beer and hang out with my family.

    Its not that I dislike Mr.O its that he listens to the wrong people and he's no different then all the others, he promised change and in the end was just more of the same.....

    Had high hopes for him, history will tell a of a man that promised change but delivered more of the same...Health Care was a waste of time and we are still at war...
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  30. UK_Pat37

    UK_Pat37 Rookie

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2011
    Messages:
    1,175
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ratings:
    +0 / 0 / -0

    My Jersey:

    Now I don't vote obviously, being int he UK, but if I voted based on who I would want in...and these two posts sum it up pretty well. On an International relations level, anyone other than Obama would be a disaster.

    Like people said above, this guy inherited a couple of wars and the worst global financial crisis since the great depression...which would make it the second worst ever.

    All I would say to you guys is be patient. Running the country isn't an easy job and inheriting the mess that he had to inherit makes it even tougher.

    We had a similar situation here. The Tory government was elected in when the country had a pretty big deficit to make up. What frustrates me the most is that our economy was actually growing again...and since their take over it has regressed and actually shrunk. On top of that, they're screwing our public services over royally.,..which they have always done.

    Now I don't know the biggest deal about American politics, but every Wednesday over here we have something called Prime Minister's questions, where all parties meet in the House of Commons and ask the PM a number of questions..all of which he must answer. It's a good time to give him some abuse as a member of the opposition too. Now all we ever hear from our PM if questioned on anything on his economic policies is 'Remember who got us into this mess'...even TWO years on from their election.

    Do you get that from Obama? Because I'm telling you that,. if you don't, your a damn sight luckier than we are! We have a school child as a PM whose best idea upon the risk of a fuel strike is to TELL the public to panic buy and stock up on fuel before a strike date is even set :rolleyes: Not only that, I've never known a government to pass a Health Bill so opposed by the doctors and nurses it effects in my life time...even when they all tell him it's a disastrous peace of legislation, he still does it!

    What I will always say though is this remember this is a global recession. It isn't as easy as dealing with you own issues...there are ripple effects globally and this has to be done on a unified scale.

    From an international perspective, he has done a tremendous job. What happenbed to that NHS reform by the way?
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012

Share This Page