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    Pats' record with Rodney Harrison: 44-6, including 6-0 in the playoffs;
    22-1 at home, 20-5 away, 2-0 neutral.
    Record against winning teams: 22-3

    Pats' record without Harrison: 15-10, including 3-2 in the playoffs;
    9-5 at home, 6-5 away.
    Record against winning teams: 6-9

    The difference between these records is stunning. Damn you Bobby Wade!
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    It would be good to have him back. But he's 35 this year. We need the next Rodney too -- or the next somebody else, with the adjusted scheme that accounts for another strong safety's talents in a modified role.

    PFnV
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    Look we all love Rodney but hes not going to be anything close to the player he once was with this team. We need to draft a safety quick to replace him because he is getting old and is always getting injured now.
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    We don't need Rodney per sea, but we need a playmaker like Rodney. One player I would love to see us go after at safety is Ken Hamlin. The guy had some injury problems, but he had a great year on an average defense and was one of the few playmakers. He could be the next Rodney Harrison for this team.
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    I thought we did found the "new Rodney":confused: James Sanders,that being said.There is only one Rodney...We all agree Rodney is not what he was once...James played quite well and his is going to improve...I wish for next year Rodney doesn't get hurt...James can have some real game experince with the best player that ever played at that position...Rodney is the f**ken man!!!!:cool3:
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    I love Rodney and his hard hits!! I hope he can stay healthy all of next year!!
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    Sanders had a good year, but I am not sold on him. He is not a great cover guy. He is very good at playing close to the line. Rodney isn't the best cover guy in the world either, but far superior to Sanders.
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    Rodney makes up for it though with his punishing hits on receivers...
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    I'd love to see Rodney return to play like his pre-injury days, but I have to wonder about a guy who's now had 3 bad injuries in 2 years. I do think the Patriots need a top notch safety like a Reed or Palmalu type that makes plays all over the field.
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    I would love to have Rodney back. He brings a lot to the field and the younger guys can benefit a lot from a year with him as a teacher!
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    He still better than Mickens or Baker.

    If Geno and Blue come back, franchise Asante, and you've got a pretty solid group.

    Hobbs becomes the main return guy, w/ Geno and Asante at corner, Rodney, Hawkins, and Sanders rotating at safety, w/ Blue, Scott, and Hobbs as backups. Not bad.
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    I'll be happy to Rodney back and Junior,despite their age,if they can still contribute,even on a limited basis,I think they can help..
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    Why do people keep talking about Wilson as a starting CB ? He hasn't played CB, other than training camp, for 4 years now. Hobbs looks like a good young CB, there's no reason to make him just a PR and put Wilson in his spot at CB.

    Hobbs is a starting CB next year. The other one will be Samuel, Gay, a draft pick or a FA - it won't be Wilson.
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    Before I make my statement, let me say that I like Rodney and his intensity. We won the Eagles SB largely because of him (he was the MVP, IMO). He's a leader and a "coach on the field".

    That being said, I think the Pats should let him go. Let's be honest, he can't stay on the field. Sure, all of him season-ending injuries have been caused by some tough-luck plays but the man's knees have to be shot by now. Couple that with his age and it makes him a step or two slower. He can still rattle the teeth of a TE across the middle but only if he's in the right place as his closing speed is diminished. Sanders and Hawkins have filled in admirably but they should be second or third string players. We need to get a younger, faster SS.

    If Rodney comes back (hopefully with a cap-friendly number), I'd like to see him as a situational type guy. He can help coach up a rookie or FA safety.
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    In addition to his leadership and hard hitting ability, did anyone know that Rodney is the all-time sack leader among active DBs?

    Anyone can try to blitz...but Harrison knows when and how to. A valuable ingredient missing from our D with his absence.

    Simply put -- he makes plays. Which is the kind of player I hope we find as his future replacement.
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    Sanders is only 23. He may never be Rodney, but look how much he's improved since his rookie year. I think he'll be a solid ss for many years to come.
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    And he'll be injured by week 4 and sit on the sidelines for the rest of the season. As much as I like the guy and appreciate all he has brought to the team I think he has become a non-factor.
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    That's a little unfair. Admittedly 3 injuries in 2 years circumstantially looks like he may be becoming brittle as he gets to his mid 30s. But it's also a small enough sample to possibly just be flat out bad luck. Certainly, though, we need to have a quality backup - I assume that's Sanders; depending how the coaches see him.
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    I couldn't disagree more. Unless you are factoring in added effects from the TN knee injury, Rodney's did not slow down as much as you seem to think. He wasn't himself for the first 3-4 weeks of the season, but from then until the Colt game he was quite good. He also was playing well in the short time that he returned from the shoulder injury.

    Rodney is not going anywhere and we will all be thankful for it next year.
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    Rodney is a once in a lifetime safety. He has 28.5 career sacks and 30 interceptions all-time, which makes him the only defensive safety or cornerback with over 27/27, I believe.
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    The only reason I would consider moving Wilson is because there is a good crop of free agent safeties. Wilson is versatile enough to move back to CB and we can improve two positions in doing so.

    I personally was against him moving to CB position in the preseason of this year feeling him at FS and Hobbs and Samuel at CB was the best combo. The problem is that we may lose Samuel and Clement may be out of our price range and the rest of the veteran CBs are slim. Going into the regular season with an injury prone Randall Gay or a rookie as our slated starter is a scary proposition. If we can get a Deon Grant or Ken Hamlin, it would improve our safety position and Wilson is a better bet at CB than Gay or a rookie at least in the short term.
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    What we need is to get more athletic at S (and LB, for that matter). If Rodney comes back, that's great, but we desperately need more speed.

    Did you seriously just try to claim that Harrison is far superior to Sanders in coverage? If so, please pass the bong.

    Thank you. There is little reason at this point to believe that Sanders is not capable of being the SS to succeed Rodney. If anything, we need another FS because I don't like Hawkins starting if Wilson goes down.
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    Maybe I'm just too cynical and pessimistic. But the reality is that Belichick and Pioli know a good CB is a tougher skill set than a good Safety. So my assumption, which my not be valid, is they either think Wilson can't play CB in the NFL or is a better Safety - otherwise after he bailed them out at S in 2003 I would think they would have moved him back to CB in 2004 and gotten a better value at S.

    I realize all that is conjecture, speculation and basically bull but I'm sticking with it :)
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    Forget about overpaying for those clowns .......................... with the 28th selection in the 2007 NFL Draft, the New England Patriots select safety Michael Griffin from the University of Texas.
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    I know someone else said this, but I happen to agree. Harrison is a GREAT coverage safety and he gets far less credit for this skill than for his bone-jarring hits.
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    While I think Rodney's coverage issues have, in the past, been overblown, this is simply not true. Rodney circa 2004 was above-average in coverage, but calling him GREAT (!) is an overstatement.

    To expect that Rodney will be even serviceable in coverage next season is about as ludicrous as expecting Bruschi to cover Dallas Clark again when we play the Colts.

    We need more athleticism, not less.
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    Yep. Sanders isn't very good in coverage. He has had a few good games recently, but he has been burnt quite a bit in spaces. Harrison isn't great, but he is more consistent.
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    I think Wilson is playing safety for one reason. He was forced to play the position because of the loss of Milloy in 2003. He performed well in that position in 2003 and 2004 when we had Law and Poole and Gay and Samuel at CB and not a lot of depth at CB. He was drafted to be a CB though.

    I think if they could find a better solution at safety, they would consider moving Wilson back to CB. In fact, Wilson has alway played CB in certain formations since his rookie year. It isn't like he hasn't played CB at the NFL level at all.

    I am just floating out an option. I don't know if the Pats will go that way. But if the Pats are looking to upgrade our secondary through free agency, there are more options at saftey than CB. Personally, I would love us to get Nate Clement, but I think he will be too expensive.
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    "Quite a bit"?

    Perhaps you can give some recent examples of this occuring.

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