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  1. Brady'sButtBoy

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    Honestly, Bill, the whole of (or at least the half like me who seems not to get enough NE football) Patriots fandom is waiting to see Ebner cover Ebert in a simple passing drill and fall down trying.

    Is that really so much to hide from us? I mean, folks by thousands watch training camp! What could be so necessary to hide now? That Hightower wears two different size shoes? Alfonzo Dennard has a MOMMA tattoo?

    Please. Bill, next time, open the whole camp up. Hey, the Giants do and you what they, um, well...
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    As J ROme said, it's like Fight Club, the first rule of patriots football is you don't talk about patriots football.... :D
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    Being secretive is the Patriot way. We find out about what they are
    doing from moles in the NFL office and from people like Adam Schefter
    days before the Patriots make an official announcement.
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    Because they don't want the media and fans to blow the impact of such things out of proportion. For example, Jones blows a drill - fans start to chant "OMG BUST!!11!1!!!"

    There are reasons for the Patriots' methods. It's not just to piss everyone off...usually.
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    Perhaps it's as simple as setting a tone of continuity. Why do things one way (open to everyone) one time and then the opposite when taking the next step in preparations?

    Or look at it this way:
    • What is the potential advantage to having minicamps open to the public?
    • What are the potential disadvantages to having them open to the public?
    • What is the potential advantage to having minicamps closed to the public?
    • What are the potential disadvantages to having them closed to the public?


    From the team's standpoint I can think of more potential upsides to having them closed and downsides to having them open than the other way around.
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    what secrecy?


    what rookie camp are you talking about? it isn't until next week!!!
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    it probably makes it quite a bit easier for them to focus if they don't have to worry about looking good for the cameras or having to endlessly explain themselves to the media if someone struggles or something.
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    Agree...there's already enough pressure on rookies without having the media circus in their face.

    Learn the playbook...get comfortable with the routine....get to know your way around.....stay healthy...screw the media :D
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    It seems to have a lot to do with "protecting" the rookies from the rabid NE Press, and acclimating them to the "Patriot Way"...
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    Rookie camp, OTA's or whatever, is closed because the NFL doesn't make Bill open it.

    Can't you just hear him? I am just trying to the rookies ready for the season. That's all. I am not concerned with__________.
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    Your comment makes sense and is likely the reason, I agree. The problem is the NFL, the Pats, BB, etc., don't exist without the fans. The NFL has grown in popularity of late due as much to the game itself as the opening up/marketing of events like the draft. The fans has responded by growing in number and enthusiasm.

    And it's got nothing to do with the media. They only provide what we demand - access and insight. I bet most everyone that comes to this site would have enjoyed a piece or two about how fast Jones looked, or that at the camp Wilson showed why he was taken in the 2nd round. It's an opportunity missed for the Pats to reinforce their brand and generate more year round interest.

    Allowing fans or the media to watch rookie camp could hardly have set back BB master plan of world domination. In season practices that include specific planning for particular teams, yes, closing them makes sense. But restricting access to the newest Patriots achieves little while bypassing another chance to fire up the nation and, through higher advertising rates and even concession sales, costs Daddy Kraft real $$ that he could, and has, used to build a winner.
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    Don't agree that secrecy hurts the brand market here. Makes fans all that more eager for summer camp and the season. Overexposure can hurt too. Me, I can't wait.

    On a side note could we put BB in charge of national security? No more White House leaks exposing the Brits' mole in AQ like happened a couple weeks ago with BB at the helm.
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    The NFL has just recently recognized the fact that they can basically print $$ with whatever they do. The draft has been available for some time, it's just recently (in the post ESPN age) that they have marketed it as an event. The move to prime time was a stroke of brilliance. They've taken a bunch of guys sitting around a desk, smoking cigarettes and drinking coffee, and turned it into The NFL Event of April. I look for them to open up the combine in Indy to fans relatively soon. Hell, they already have a stadium.

    As far as the second point goes, I disagree to a certain point. No sense having media, fans, scouts, anyone for that matter, attending and saying "X player can't move to the left in coverage." I think we can give these guys some time to get acclimated to the game and we'll see them at camp this August.
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    Bill Belicheck is paid to do one thing --- win football games. He believes that the best way of doing so is to create an atmosphere for his team (and especially his rookies) where the only thing they need to worry about is winning football games. "Do your job"

    Making a big toodoo about a new employee orientation does not aid in accomplishing what BB thinks is the best way to do his job, and as long as making a big toodoo is not mandatory, he won't. And once it is mandatory, he'll find a quiet way to mock the entire process (see his hoodie of doom)
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    Exactly. How many businesses would make their employee orientation open to the public? Or project planning meetings? Or strategy sessions?

    The "do your job" philosophy extends beyond the field. Coach sees the team management and NFL as responsible for raising the revenue to keep things going, and assumes they will do their job. If that includes opening up a practice to build brand, he'll reluctantly comply while doing his job of winning games.

    But I go back to the original topic. What secrecy are we talking about? It has yet to be identified in this thread.
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    The hard core fans are going to follow regardless.

    The casual fan is probably following another sport right now and is not going to be pulled away by footage of unfamiliar rookies doing calisthenics or basic drills.

    Advertising rates are something negotiated between the networks and the companies that by air time. The NFL already has contracts in place with multiple networks for the next ten years; a ratings increase or decrease will not change the NFL's revenue by one penny.

    Revenue from licensed merchandise such as apparel sales is split equally by all 32 teams. The Patriots get the same amount of money as the Jets do from the sale of a Darrelle Revis jersey, the Raiders and Broncos make the same off a Peyton Manning jersey, etc.

    As you pointed out the only potential lost revenue would be if you opened up minicamps to the public the same way teams do with training camp, making money off of food and beverages. But here's the thing: the amount of that profit is so infinitesimally small in the grand scheme of things - this is a business with annual revenues somewhere around $300,000,000 - that a couple hundred dollars made or not made off sales of hot dogs and sodas in the off-season is not going to affect the ability of this or any other team to "build a winner" one iota.


    There is an oft-repeated phrase that can be seen on the walls inside Gillette: Do Your Job. For Bill Belichick, his job is to do the best he can to build a winning team. It is not to supply access to how the team conducts practices, no matter how much we as fans crave a glimpse of that.

    There are other cases where it would certainly make more sense to use these type of activities as a P.R. mechanism to create more interest in the potential fanbase. Specifically teams that are rebuilding (e.g., the Rams) and/or teams that have trouble selling out (e.g., Tampa Bay or Jacksonville). For those clubs, opening up minicamps as much as possible would be a smart move. But for established teams like the Patriots there is really no benefit to doing so.


    The games on Sunday are for the entertainment of the customer, the fans. Preparations for those events are not.
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    I don't think secrecy will cost them a single fan. Might make a few, like the OP, a little grumpy, but they'll still spend the same $ on the NFL either way.
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    I never paid attention to the new deal between the players and management, but is there some new rule about post draft OTA's? Because i remember there OTA's for rookies and then veterans after the draft that the media covered. Or DUH, is this what this thread is all about, The OTA's are not open to the media as in the past? Because i really miss the reports of what the rookies initially looked like. It helps with the off season with drawl.
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    PREACH it, Brother Ron!! :rocker:
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    See? It's so secret that even you didn't know that the Patriots are doing two-a-days in full pads in May. You probably missed the exhibition game on Mother's Day against the Philadelphia Eagles. Ochocinco disappeared in the second half. He didn't just not catch a pass, he actually vanished like in a David Copperfield special.

    Roger Goodell wants to fine Bill Belichick, but he can't find him!
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