Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Holy Diver, Aug 5, 2009.
I get that it's a cartoon, but . . . you actually think government run health care will be simpler and less bureaucratic ?
You overlook the massive cost savings, which is precisely the point of the public option.
The nanny-staters crack me up. Especially their leader Barry, what a joke.
well.....medicare works like that, and (although its a cartoon) it doesn a good job of showing where your money goes before it gets to a hospital or doctor or back to you.
Right, Medicare and Medicaid are such a sparkling success! No fraud or potential burdens to be had on taxpayers there?
Right, the massive cost savings by limiting care. I get it; I don't want it.
Also the massive cost savings that will COST $1-2T for the first 10 years.
The limiting care argument is a bit of a misnomer. If there's an equally effective but less expensive treatment then that's not limiting care.
And you'll see an overall reduction in health care spending and the cost to you and me. That's the point. It's more of a shift in health care spending as opposed to an increase, though of course it's an increase in government spending. But again, that's to get the overall cost down.
No, the new TRILLIONS are for the currently uninsured, none of that is for the currently insured. They're paid for either 1) as they are now or 2) by more government money if they go with the public option.
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now that's funny. Where are these cost savings going to come from, increased efficiency or electronic records???? Name me one program that the government took over from the private sector that saved money once levels of bureaucracy got thru with it. Ask any practitioner that has to deal with Medicare what it's like with layers and layers of forms.
Do you know how the cars for clunkers works? Person goes to the dealer who sells them the car. THEN dealer goes to the web site and print out 13 pages, fill them out, scan them and email them to YOURSELF.(dealer). Then they are emailed to the government (hope the server doesn't crash again like it did for most of the first week) and you wait to get an authorization back and then the dealer hopes to get paid in several weeks..... This is a $1 billion deal that has been a clusterf***...Multiply that by 1000 and you have ther health care system. If you think it will save money, you're dreaming.....
If the end result does not result in a decrease in health care spending as a percentage of the GDP then it will have failed in one important point, there's no argument there. That's why I am a proponent of nationalizing health care completely and getting insurance companies completely out of health care. As for bureaucratic efficiency, the government is what we make of it and there's no reason that the system has to be inefficient.
500 million a year in lobbying...saved
in 2007 the top 13 private insurers total profit was over 13 Billion.
13.5 billion/yr in savings, by removing the profit from these industries that treat human lives like they were widgets. That place stock price before your life. They had their run, and proved that they are more concerned with stealing money than with making you healthy. Thats a fact.
That more than makes up for the Trillion over 10 year figure people cling to for some dumb reason.
This doesn't take into accout electronic medical records and lower administrative costs.
It wouldn't be a saving for me since I pay $32/month for complete health insurance (general health, dental & eye).
Sure, as long as the coverage is as good as what I have now AND doesn't cost me any more.
As a percentage of GDP.
Ok, so how much will it save me? and why would I want it if I receive poorer service or have to pay more? I've worked my tail off to get where I am. I'm well paid and have the best health care i've ever had in my life. I don't want to be thrown into the same pile "as everyone else".
and most of all, I want our federal gov't to get SMALLER, not BIGGER!
"Hey everyone, the federal gov't is hiring for health care jobs!! Lets see if can get one with an awesome pension plan!"
"If you like your insurance...YOU CAN KEEP IT" - Barack Obama
Do you actually believe that? Personally, I want a guarantee that I'll NEVER have to get gov't health care.
obama is a liar. Who cars what he said.
PR - I pay about $4,500 a year for mine
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