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Why the love affair with Julius Peppers?

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  1. bunzoburns

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    The guy is a great pass rusher but what else can he do? Where will he play in the Pat's system?

    If he plays DE, will we move Seymour or Warren? Will he be satisfied playing a 3-4 defensive end position where his primary responsibility is to stop the run and then rush the passer? His sack totals will certainly diminish and I doubt he would be happy about that.

    Okay, maybe he plays OLB in our system. We know he rushes the passer but do you think he can make the transition after playing his whole career on the D-line? At 6-7 285+ lbs, can he play in space, diagnose a play from beyond the line of scrimmage, play in coverage?

    What are his salary demands?
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    I don't think he can do worse than Vrabel and Willie Mc did in coverage, I think you'd get the same and even more. And I think he would be much better in Rushing the Passer.
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    Unless our secondary becomes good anytime soon,we need a SERIOUS talent as a pass rusher to alleviate some of the pressure on the backfield - If Peppers can give us that then he is worth every dime
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    I agree it makes no sense other than to Fantasy Football players. Unless the Pats convert to a 4-3.
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    One more point...

    There's a big difference in terms of rushing the passer from an OLB position than a DE position. Jason Taylor made the transition but I he is also 20 lbs less and in my opinion, more athletic.
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    I'm not going to get into it, but I think it is fairly easy to see that he would easily have a role here.
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    I kind of agree. The only reason it's even come up is Peppers said he wouldn't mind going to a 3-4 team, which frankly I only think he did to up his market value. I'm not sure how natural the transition would be for an athlete of his frame & build. Ultimately, he is a unique player with rare physical skills, so if anyone could do it, it's him.

    I just think it's a big roll of the dice on the behalf of the Pats (or any 3-4 team). You can afford the opportunity cost of a rookie taking 2-3 years to convert from DE to OLB, but not so much with a costly veteran whose production/abilities will decline each subsequent season.
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    You do realize that peppers was a star BB player for the Tarheels right? :confused:
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    So What? I don't care if he was an Olympic tiddly-winker either.:p OTOH The Redskins were shopping Jason Taylor for a 4th and his salary is about $2 million. Now he CAN play OLB in a 3-4. He might be a better all around guy too,bu tnot as good a pass rusher, but with a mere cap savings of around $14 million a year. Just what you need to pay frto a good backup QB ... Cassel.
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    I def.. think we need to look at things from a versatility standpoint.. this move gives the pats allot of options.. base 4-3 w/ AD / Mayo / ? or 3 - 4 w/ AD and him on each edge.. tons of matchup issues I am sure could be exploited w/ Peppers and Seymour on that side!
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    i honestly dont think Peppers will come to New England, why?? Peppers is asking for to much and if we sign him to a huge contract then wilfork will want a bigger contract!!
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    I think the love affair is over the name and the mans level of play.

    I think the odds that Peppers is on his way here are super slim to none though. If we blow that kind of money on a conversion project, instead of spreading it around on needs elsewhere, I will be very concerned about the loss of Pioli.
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    Really, what are our major needs? I'll tell you what our biggest need is: getting a pass rush. That's not to say Peppers is likely to come here, but it's not like we have gaping holes elsewhere that need to be filled.
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    Amen Brotha!
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    I just can't see JP coming here either, but I wouldn't really complain!!

    The money would be insane, I personally would rather see Ray Lewis play another few yrs at peak performance here for less money--but once again you'd have the conversion factor to deal with. Although I'm sure he could fit in just as easy. Not comparing JP to Lewis by any means, just saying if we wanted to pick up a veteran LB at a cheaper price, Lewis still has a few good yrs left. Obviously I guess he'd go inside, and I'm sure we'd put him to use somehow. Plus you certainly can't #@$% with his leadership ability. JP is probably a much better athlete with a longer future playing span, and he could play on the line too obviously, but as a pure LB Lewis still has a lot left in the tank. Sorry if i took it a little off topic
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    That's the best post on this thread.



    Regardless if we do acquire JP- I'm anxious to see our new defensive looks
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    Thanks and if you look at it from a historical standpoint w/ BB you can see that he has targeted guys like AD / Colvin / and now Peppers to fill that role Lawerence Taylor played for the Giants allowing them to use multiple fronts etc..
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    I like Peppers the player a ton. He's been very productive throughout his career and is the type of player teams game plan around. As a 3-4 OLB, it would be tougher for a team to double team him that it was as a 4-3 end. Peppers has great athletic ability and I don't think he'd have an issue with the coverage responsibilities as a 3-4 OLB.

    I do question whether or not Peppers coming to the Patriots as the 2nd highest paid player on the team (and no.1 on defense) would be good for the locker room. There's a lot of guy in that locker room that have accomplished a ton and many (Brady, Moss, Bruschi, Harrison) have taken less money to play in New England.

    I also question giving a huge deal to a guy who's going to play LB for the first time in a Belichick defense that is know for it's complex schemes.

    If BB makes a move for Peppers, I am sure he's considered the above factors and decided his talent is well worth the risk.
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    J.P. Losman on defense? Novel idea.... [​IMG]
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    yeah, you didn't hear? he's taking over Delta's spot
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    I think we need backfield help to the degree it is a glaring need. The pass rush helps greatly, but not the whole of the equation.

    Pass rush won't do much if you need to drop your LB's back to help support coverage.

    I also think we need OL help. Maybe not glaring today, but will be next year and next years glaring needs are today's too.
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    Right on.
    Look at what the NYG did to us in the SB with an excellent pass rush.

    Richard Seymour
    Vince Wilfork
    Ty Warren
    all #1 draft picks. Bill knows the formula. We also have Jarvis and I think Mike Wright is still with us-not sure.

    I want our defense to shut teams down!
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    Actually, a good pass rush will make even a mediocre secondary look a lot better. The Giants didn't have a great backfield, but they beat us in the Super Bowl in large part by beating the living crap out of our OL.

    So what are the glaring needs, in your estimation, in the secondary?
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    My point exactly...we need OL help.
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    I'd like to re-sign Wright too, while we're at it, heck of a game vs. AZ. He gives us needed depth, and can line up at the nose too
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    They are intertwined. In fact, a good pass rush improves a secondary significantly. That's just fact. All one has to do is look at Denver, who had 2 excellent CBs, but no pass rush, to see how they fared.
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    The Giants didn't have a great backfield? Well, maybe not great but certainly better than average:

    Sam Madison- 2nd round pick and 4 time pro-bowler
    Aaron Ross- 1st round pick, rookie season in 2007
    Gibril Wilson- Fast sideline to sideline FS...more then proficient.
    Corey Webster was a backup kid...but he is a damned good CB. Would be a starter on our squad.


    I would never deny that pass rush isn't necessary....I am saying that Peppers fills a spot we need less than we need backfield help. In both CB and the safety positions.

    Remember, Rodney played a huge role in our pass rushing ability....and he ain't no LB.
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    First of all, Madison was like 66 years old. Corey Webster actually played most of the game in the second CB spot, IIRC.

    And let's not forget the awesome James Butler at SS.

    Like I said, not a great secondary.
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    Exactly - The dude is a FREAK athlete - He's an amazing player - If you have to ask or wonder how Bill would use Peppers, I don't think you have watched him play very much.
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    No, Webster would not be a starter on our squad. Good pass rush makes him look a lot better than he is. Wilson sucks in coverage too.
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