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  1. State

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    1. They can't do it;
    2. They can't argue logically, basing their arguments on mere emotionalism and what Bertrand Russell calls "the driving force in a democracy"--envy. [I enjoy the occasion person of a leftist persuasion calling a guy like G. Gordon Liddy, who is often dismissed as an elderly, idiot crank, and the caller is almost certain to be greatly outclassed. I mean, it's not even close.];
    3. They intolerantly don't like the ideas expressed by talk radio, which threaten their hegemony they work so hard to inflict, starting with the young children in Kindergarten reading "Heather Has Two Mommies." Liberalism is a form of "soft" tyranny.

    It's not enough they control the government bureaucracies, Hollywood, education, and the media. They want it all, like the immature children they are.

    I hesitate to say the latter rather harsh conclusion if not for this fact: most liberals can't be bothered to have children. That would, after all, require putting someone else's needs ahead of their own.
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    Or they don't want to have a job that entails not thinking and being angry every day.

    I'm not sure you know what the word logic means. Progressive thinkers are hardly merely emotional. :rolleyes: In fact, you don't even present an argument in language here, choosing instead to simply make an unsubstantiated claim. :ugh:

    As opposed to the hard, unthinking and oppressive tyranny of the right? :rolleyes:

    What Liberal Media?

    Jesus Christ you're an idiot.
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    I listen to conservative talk radio. Limbaugh, Levin, Savage, Hannity etc.... Its fukcing HILARIOUS that you think the media is 'liberal'. That theory has been debunked by none other than NEOCO-pimp himself William Kristol:

    "I admit it," he told a reporter. "The liberal media were never that powerful, and the whole thing was often used as an excuse by conservatives for conservative failures."

    What Liberal Media?

    Let alone the fact that over 80% of the talk radio is conservative. I live in SF, which people will consider to be a very liberal city, we have ONE progressive talk station and 5 conservative ones....I $h!t you not.

    In the end, its not about format, or brains, or the ability to mold an argument...its about financing. I think we can agree that Rush Limbaugh started the conservative talk boom back in the 90s. He did so with 2 YEARS of funding from coonservative groups looking to nail Slick Willie. In the radio biz, you either need to have enough duckets to survive off of scraps for a year, or have a very rich bunch of friends who want to see you push their agenda. Rush had the latter. His show never profited for 2 years plus. Thats a recipe for faiure, but not when you have big backers. Its a simple fact that there is more $$ behind the conservative agenda.

    Conservative talk isn't talk....Its a soapbox made to spew marching orders for old white people...HONESTLY.

    I'd challenge you to listen to Tom Hartmann. Unlike many conservatives, if not all of them, Tom allows debate on his show. These debates are informative, he tends to book topical guests who disagree with him. Its not a single mind musing talking points to you, Tom challenges you to use YOUR BRAIN when you listen.





    You obviously don't
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    Well to be fair to State, he starts his post off with the notion that the left (liberals) can’t do talk radio which makes them mad because the right (conservatives) do it so successfully. Obviously he's acknowledging that talk radio is not liberal so what’s with the “what liberal media" rebuttal?
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    to be fair to myself and apple...

    "It's not enough they control the government bureaucracies, Hollywood, education, and the media. They want it all, like the immature children they are."

    he DOES mention it as his intro to his closing.....its fair to address the percieved liberal media as he describes it.
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    I wouldn't want a broad unthinking anger and hate generating propaganda outlet even if I could have one. I prefer an honest debate.

    Because he claimed that liberals control the media.

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    They can't compete so they don't want anybody doing it, Al f-ck face Franken tried it he flopped so if they can't play they want the game ended.

    YES WE CAN
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    Duh, not talk radio though. He starts off by saying that flat out.

    If you want an honest debate then don't expect to find it on most news programs. Maybe Face the Nation or Meet the Press, then even that has a bias.
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    :confused: He claims the media is liberal outside talk radio and the article rebuts that, using examples from television and print. Read his quote. It clearly says that he thinks liberals "control ... the media." Which we rebutted. Talk radio is not in the equation in the rebuttal.
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    LOL

    I'll let you all banter about the lack of a liberal media, and merely point to how the mainstream media, ABC, NBC, CBS, NPR, MSNBC, etc, have treated Obama. They haven't asked him hard questions. EVER. I haven't heard anything about how terrible Obama is handling Afghanistan, even with the Brits saying how mucked up this administration is on that. The tv media is, most certainly, liberal. Just watch it sometime. I don't need some article to tell me what I can see with my own two eyes, and hear with my own two ears.
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    Holy CRap! here are the big 6 who own all of the media

    General Electric
    NewsCorp
    Walt Disney
    Time Warner
    Viacom
    CBS


    all of these are LIBERALS!!!!! amazing.
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    Wonderful. What use are reason and evidence anyway? :rolleyes:
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    Just watch it, and you'll see how liberal they are!



    Oh, on a side note CNN is refusing to run an ad that shows you Cigna's CEO salary...


    because they are SO LIBERAL.....
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    i think State is pf13's son, or something...

    this thread is laughable...

    i lean left, and I love talk radio... heroes of his like Limbaugh and O'Reilly wouldn't last 10 minutes on the air with an informed, calm, collected pluralist ... Not without blowing a gasket and hijacking the radio show.

    What a joke.
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    Many of them are Immelt for example, has met with Obama at teh WH, Buffet raised moeny and is an Obama supporter.

    What makes you think the people who run the companies are libs?

    :singing::singing:
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    Quick question...how intertwined is GE with the current admin?
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    Right wing logic: when Bush gives in to a "liberal" special interest, he's not sticking to "conservative priniciples." When a "liberal administration" gives in to a conservative special interest (a corporation for cryin out loud), the special interest becomes "liberal." That's free market "magic" at it's finest.

    The idea that on the one hand you recognize that corporations wield so much power and influence in our society, even over this administration, and on the other you call Obama a "socialist" is why right wing America is a laughing stock. I'd love to see you wet yourself if a real socialist ever got elected. But whatever, it's politically expedient and our education system has been ruined so people will fall for it, right?

    Back to the topic at hand, I think it's fairly clear that if a liberal audience wanted to listen to loudmouths shouting a dumbed down version of their opinions at them on the radio, then progressive radio would be successful. But personally I'd rather listen to an informed discussion on something with actual information involved than some ranting looney calling Hillary Clinton a fat ass for an hour straight on my drive home to work. Most progressives I know feel the same way.

    All you need to do is look at the difference in format between NPR and something like Jay Severin. It's not a left or right issue, listening to someone feed me their one sided opinion all day and hang up on anyone who challenges them is not that appealing to me or any progressive I know. I'd much rather, you know, actually learn something of substance. Righties eat that stuff up for some reason, but it's pretty clear after this past election that there is a large enough population of people to support that format if they actually liked it (look at the Daily Show, Bill Maher etc.). Personally I don't fear talk radio, but I do loathe it as a sad reflection of how dumb our national discourse is.

    Now let's move on to discuss why the right hates Academia. I mean, I'll happily let them have the bullhorn of talk radio and we can keep the overwhelming majority of serious academics. I wonder which one reflects a deeper level of research and thought.....Goddamn "elitists" using their brains and such.....
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    Is this an argument against capitalism?

    Newsflash: all corporations bet on who's going to win by donating more to the one they think will succeed. Just another wonderful gift from the free market to our bastion of democracy.
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    State, what a joke! Lefties hate talk radio because it's dominated by conservatives and it is mostly very stupid. Hardline conservatives prefer to beat up on and shout down and demonize their debate opponents, ala the old Morton Downey Jr show. Lefties prefer intelligent radio, and it's not coming from the right.
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    Speaking of talk radio anger and hate:


    BTW when National Socialism was al lthe rage the rich and Germany were all for it. Just GE and Warren Buffet are making millions off od Obama and the dems spending, nothing to do with capitalism and a lot to do with stateism...
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    I wonder what he was referring to... Did Beck have another meltdown?

    He is quite crazy, you do realize, pf13?
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    So was Prescott Bush.. any good capitalist looks at an opportunity and tries to make money off of it.. it is what it is..

    My view on this whole thing, is that the right does it very well, albeit very irresponsible.. but most of it is based on lies and hyperbole.. in the early 2000's was disenfranchised by the dem party and wanted to find out about the Rebublican Party.. was living in N. Maine with limited media access, did have Rush on the Radio.. listened for one year.. all I found out was the the right liked to call dems names.. "the swimmer".. or continual discussion of a person's body size.. etc.
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    I am at work and never watch the guy. However the point is that a lefty is HOPING the guy will commit suicide. That is a bit harsh don't you think?
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    Well I'd read that article a long time ago and I still reject it. It cherry picks a few quotes from some on the right, lauds the success of some conservative publications and finally "proves" no liberal media bias by naming William Safire as editorial writer for the New York Times. That's like finding the handful of blacks attending the republican national convention and then focus on them in an article to prove the Republican Party is really the diversity party.

    When you look at the totality of the main stream media in America, and count the actual numbers of journalists that admit they are liberal and democrats then it should be obvious to anyone honest that it leans left.

    While I think the right whines about the liberal media way to much it exists nonetheless. That article only works in its own vacuum.
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    And in reality not as well as the right talk machines... the right has done an excellent job in this area.. the left has tried to imitate, but failed miserably..

    On an anecdotal level, look at the success of Dennis and Callahan in the AM..
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    The Left hates anybody talking back to them and worse they can't understand why anybody would disagree with them, they can be vicious ruthless bastards when they are threatened, in time they will be the cause of a revolution you can see it building now, it will come to Violence in the streets, the New Socialist Democrats don't want a Government “By The People And For The People” they want TO DICTATE, that dirty old Skank Pelosi and Stupid Obama want to point their rotten fingers at you and say “you do what we tell you to do” well the people little by little are waking up and they are saying “f-ck you”

    Two Democrat Pigs:
    RealClearPolitics - Video - Pelosi: Town Hall Protesters Are "Carrying Swastikas"

    YouTube - Barbara Boxer Objects To Health Care Protesters' "Attire"
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    We're not filled with the sort of hate the right wing has. We're not racist, homophobic, anti-woman, anti-Muslim, etc. So, yeah, in that sense, we're not good at hate radio.

    I think it's the right wing that tries to stir up fears of socialism, communism, etc. The right wing is extremely hysterical these days, and it's intellectual arguments have fallen flat in large part because they don't have many. Right wing intellect has been on the losing end of history pretty much forever as more and more minorities and others have gained greater and greater rights thanks to progressive movements.

    No, liberals are more likely to be better educated and readers. We don't listen to radio as much as conservatives, many of whom are apparently computer illiterate. You have talk radio, we have the newspapers. You have tv, we have the internet. You can keep radio. After all, one study (that I'll try to find when I'm off my laptop) showed the average age of those who listen to talk radio is 67. They are not long for this world.

    Comparing Utah to Vermont is kind of strange. After all, Mormonism has always believed in the obligation to have lots of children to push their religion. In fact the reason that Joseph Smith and Brigham Young had so many wives was to push their faith. If you consider that minorities tend to vote liberal, and from what I've seen have higher birth rates than whites, I wonder if the claim of that NPR report holds up? At any rate, it's pretty well established that young people are getting more and more liberal. I think among the under 30 set, Obama won something like 2-1.
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    Oh yes, us poor, stupid, uninformed conservatives. It's a good thing we have so many really smart liberals to tell us how to live our lives.

    The problem with these elitist libs is that they operate in philosophy and ideals...not in reality. They take these socialist ideas, and see them on paper, and think, "Wow, what a GREAT idea!" Problem is, they don't work when put into practice.

    I'll stick with my realistic conservative values, and say no thanks to unattainable, impossible liberal ideals.

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