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Why Super Bowl repeats are so hard to achieve

Really good article from last year written for the Seahawks about the difficulties in repeating. The Seahawks bucked the trend by returning to the Super Bowl, but prior to them, the last Super Bowl champion to even win a play-off game was the 2005 Patriots. Between 8 other champions, they were 0-4 in the play-offs the next year, with 4 missing the play-offs entirely.

It also breaks down each team and why they failed to repeat. A lot of teams lost free agents. Injuries happened. Lots of things could go wrong.

Since the salary cap era, only 4 teams have gone back to the Super Bowl the year after winning it, and only 2 have won back-to-back.

Back-to-back Super Bowl winners in the salary cap era
- *1998 Broncos
- 2004 Patriots

*asterisk for the salary cap violations.

Back-to-Super Bowl after winning once in the salary cap era
- 1997 Packers
- 2014 Seahawks

I couldn't find a common theme between them. Those Packers had Favre in his prime, while the Broncos used Terrell Davis and cheated the salary cap. And there have been some great regular seasons from Super Bowl winners like Green Bay going 15-1 the year after, and though they lost in the first round, it's hard to say they didn't have a good team that year.

But the 2004 Patriots and 2014 Seahawks were of particular interest.

The 2004 Patriots acquired Corey Dillon in the off-season, a big move that changed their offense. They also signed Keith Traylor, an underrated move at the time. They didn't get a huge boost from the draft. Wilfork was probably the biggest impact rookie that season, although he only started 6 games. They lost Law and Poole during the season as well. Brady took a step up that year as did David Givens to take over for a hurting Branch, but Dillon made a huge impact on the run game, pushing the offense from 12th to 4th in points.

Perhaps even more meaningful, the 2014 Seahawks were the first team since the 2005 Patriots to win a play-off game the next year. They also had a rough start to free agency, losing Golden Tate, Red Bryant, Chris Clemons, Brandon Browner, Clinton McDonald, and Walter Thurmond. Their offensive line was missing 3 guys who started games in 2013 with Michael Bowie getting waived for being overweight, as well as losing guys like Paul McQuistan and Breno Giacomini. But the young defensive talent continued to improve, as did QB Russell Wilson. They also overcame Lynch's temporary hold-out and the in-season trade of Percy Harvin to make it back to the Super Bowl.

We obviously have lost a few pieces, including a hugely important one in Revis. But last year's Seahawks are a reminder that losing in free agency doesn't guarantee impending doom. They lost 4 defensive starters, their two most dangerous WRs, several other key players, 3 OL starters, and still found a way back to the championship game because their younger players got better. We also have young defensive talent emerging and improving, with another year of experience and another off-season for Jones, Siliga, Hightower, and Collins, as well as bigger roles for Easley and Butler. And unlike the Seahawks, our OL remains mostly intact, and should get even better as Stork and Solder have another year under their belts.

So yes, history is against us repeating. Heck, it's against us even winning a play-off game. And there are key guys who are no longer on the roster. But we have a shot because we have so many young kids who will hopefully continue to grow and mature. You can't even give up on guys like Ryan because Harmon and Wilson went through ups and downs and started trending back up as well. Maybe the opportunity now to play consistently will push Ryan towards a great offseason. Or maybe Butler. Maybe this offseason will be the one where Harmon or Wilson emerge and overtake Chung. Who knows?

But that's why a team like Indy isn't as dangerous as everyone thinks. Luck will improve as will Fleener, but what about the rest of that aging roster? Ditto the Broncos, who have a lot of talent, but not a lot of upside potential. The Bills went big in free agency, but guys like Cassell, McCoy, and Clay are what they are, and have more downside than up. The Jets got Revis with a lot of risk, and an older version of Cromartie, as well as Fitzpatrick to help run the show. They are what they are, and there's not a lot of potential growth.

So much of success relies on the maturation of potential to talent, and we've got lots of potential. Our chances next year are going to rely a lot more on how much we can improve internally than any big signings we make.
 
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Like he said : salary cap & injuries...
 
Like he said : salary cap & injuries...

I would also add parity to this list, which is a byproduct of the salary cap. The super bowl winner for the most part is not as dominant in the salary cap era relative to the other playoff teams. For example, the pats could have lost to baltimore or seattle. Last year, Seattle could have lost to San Francisco in the NFCCG.
 
The Pats are rated as one of the best "young" potential in the league, i agree.

But the Colts are the top-rated team in that category (no doubt Luck and Hilton are a big reason why, but still).
 
The Pats are rated as one of the best "young" potential in the league, i agree.

But the Colts are the top-rated team in that category (no doubt Luck and Hilton are a big reason why, but still).

When Luck gets paid Indy is gonna collapse. And they aren't that good anyway.
 
Yeah, repeating would have been hard enough even if we didn't lose our best players on defense. I'm gonna enjoy the ride either way tho. I'm satisfied with what we have accomplished since 2001.
 
The high majority of teams need to have the ball bounce their way, at multiple times throughout the season. We just saw a prime example of the amount of luck and good breaks needed to overcome major deficits in 2/3 postseason games. While some of that was obviously the excellent preparation and talent of the coaches and players, a lot of things had to happen (drawing specific matchups in the postseason such as the 6th and 4th seeded teams), locking up homefield advantage from a Cincinnati pick-six MNF game where another team scored at the right time to oust our competitor, and all of the things that happened in-between.

Even if you assume that there are going to be 8-10 solid contenders in the playoffs every year, it's highly unlikely that the previous year's winner is going to come up again. It'd be like writing a number on a ping pong ball, dropping it in with 8-10 other balls, and expecting the same exact number to come up twice in a row. It's not going to happen too often. Even if you cut the postseason field down to only 3 solid competitors from each conference (something that cannot be done anymore due to the emergence of WC teams), there are still going to be 6 quality teams, and an approximate 16-17 percent chance.

Free agency + the salary cap era have allowed for this kind of parity to happen, which makes the 03-04 back to back run all the more impressive.
 
the problem is that everything needs to break right to win the super bowl and its nearly impossible that everything will break right two years in a row.
 
the problem is that everything needs to break right to win the super bowl and its nearly impossible that everything will break right two years in a row.

A great quote:

Seneca (Roman philosopher) ---"[Good] "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

Don't know about you, but I give BB pretty good odds to have decent luck next season.
 
We're on to 50
 
The Pats are rated as one of the best "young" potential in the league, i agree.

But the Colts are the top-rated team in that category (no doubt Luck and Hilton are a big reason why, but still).

I forgot to include Hilton, and you could also throw in Moncrief, and that gives them a promising offensive core. But that defense is old, and there's not a lot of young playmakers on that side of the field. Davis is in his prime but maybe they're hoping for a huge jump out of Werner, who didn't do much when handed a starting role this season after Mathis's suspension and injury.
 
The real myth is that SB champions are somehow inherently superior to the other top teams. Talent, coaching and matchups are decisive when playing against a clearly inferior team. But once you get into the playoffs, a lot of those differentiators cancel each other out, and stupid dumb luck becomes the most decisive part of the game: the spot of a ball, a knee inbounds, a lucky bounce, a helmet catch. Add in the randomness of injuries, weather conditions and a million other factors that cannot be predicted.

These arent things you can recruit for in Free Agency or train for during practice. The reason you play the games is because the random element is often decisive. The 2001 Pats were not a better team than the 2001 Rams, as a general observation--but they happened to be better on that day.

Suppose the "best" team in the NFL has 7-1 odds to win the SB in any given year. For them to do it twice is a row is 49-1, assuming they survive the draft and free agency without backslipping in pure talent.

That means an elite team like the Pats with 7-1 odds to win the SB in any given year would need 49 seasons to be repeat SB champions just once. And that requires that the team can sustain a roster of players deserving of a 7-1 Vegas line for 49 years.

No wonder its so hard.
 
Yup!

The Patriots have been in the Superbowl 6 times under BB and won it 4 times with no game being by more than a single score.

This season each of the Superbowl teams had a breathtakingly narrow win on the way (Baltimore, Green Bay). So that's four teams that could reasonably think that, had things gone slightly differently, they could have won it. Perhaps last season the Seahawks were further in front, but even so they only squeezed by the 49ers.

So it looks like each season there are 3 or 4 teams that could reasonably hope to win the Superbowl. The secret is consistently being one of those teams.
 
we've made 9AFC championship games, 6 superbowls and won 4. I wouldn't look at the general trends when it comes to the patriots.

despite all the "sky is falling" attitude due to revis/browner leaving we will still win probably 12-13 games and get a first round bye
 


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