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  1. State

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    John Stuart Mill didn't think so in his book _On Liberty_, since they'd invariably vote out of personal (selfish) considerations and not consider what was called the commonweal or the common good.

    Now we praise people to steal from others through the impersonal mechanism of the ballot box.

    Why is that good? When 47% of the people don't pay any income tax, we're at the point of a sharp decline with vastly fluctuating tax rates--mainly coming from the rich, they have an annoying tendency to disguise and curtail--and a perpetuate parasitical class demanding ever more entitlements.

    Ever heard of William Graham Sumner's Forgotten Man?
     
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    Everybody is susceptible to voting for personal best interests, as opposed to what is in the best interest of the nation (which is largely subjective, of course).

    I would also question how you define being "on the dole." Does that apply to anybody who works for the government? Anybody who owns or works for a company that does work with the government?
     
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    Because 71% of democrats favor wealth redistribution
    ... :confused3:

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    Americans Divided on Taxing the Rich to Redistribute Wealth
     
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    I understand the logic involved, but "one the dole" can me more than just collecting a welfare check on the living level. Plenty of people, and businesses, benefit from the financial generosity of the "gubmit". What's difficult for me is the 47% who don't pay income taxes. I've moved back and forth on this. While I sometimes would love to see no taxes on income, I've become more of a "low tax" on incomes person. I think everyone should pay some amount of tax, so that they have a stake in the game. As it stands now, I think people who pay barely anything because of anemic earnings, actually get substantially more in the form of a refund, than they paid in. I don't think I like that.


    That's a crazy set of figures there. So basically lets take from someone else, and give it to a dude who didn't earn it. Amazing stuff. I'd say find all the people who voted in the affirmative for wealth redistribution, go to their homes, and take something that belongs to them away. When they scream and yell "hey, that mine!" just tell them it's going to someone who earned less than them and doesn't have it. See how much they like redistribution then. I bet they won't like it too much.

    Not for nothing, but look at the "non-whites" numbers. 2 out of every 3 minority individuals think that someone with something more, should give some of what they have to them. Anyone think that our own social program, affirmative action, special treatment type system fuels that line of thinking? I'm asking here.
     
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    "On the dole" is too general a term for me as well.

    But if you want to suggest we pass a law that "No public union can back any candidate" I'm all for it. That one makes a LOT of sense!
     
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    What you neglect to point out is the the 57% who believe wealth should be more evenly distributed is one of the lowest numbers since 1985.. it is also interesting that 52% of all women agree with the basic premise.

    Very nice job of continuing the class warfare by the rich and famous, I encourage you to keep up the efforts as this will continue the great economic divide and perpetuate that which has been occuring in this country for the past 30+ years... maybe we can put all non tax paying folks on some type of internment camps where there will be forced labor while you are at it. Maybe we can tattoo a D on the foreheads of the people in question..

    It will be best for this country to have those 53% of the people who pay "taxes" to decide what is best for all of us.. not much will change anyways as the power elite pretty much does that anyways...;););)

    The Koch Brothers thank you....
     
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    Pant Suit Hillary wanted all of America's Prisoners to be allowed to vote because she knows their all democrats.
     
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    I think only landowners, men and whites should be allowed to vote.
     
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    Public sector employee? Can't vote.

    I'd otherwise employ the gubmit's own logic in the 1986 Civil Rights Act that mandated colleges and universities--if they took even a penny of federal aid--to practice affirmative action.

    Two noble institutions, Grove City College and Hillsdale, backed out completely of the federal student loan program in order to keep their integrity.

    When I pay taxes that go to other people I'm essential an indentured servant. And taxes are not voluntary. They are backed up by the formidable police power of the state.

    This year is the first I'm not going to give to the United Way in recent memory. I pay too much in taxes, most of which is a form of theft.

    Once one accepts this Murray Rothbard premise--that taxation is theft--then everything goes logically to voting for Ron Paul. Assuming one doesn't get money from others through the gubmit. But people clamor for it--it's allegedly an easier existence, if a less respectable one.
     
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    Ah yes, the good old days.

    How I long for them.
     
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    So military people can't vote? Elected officials?

    Essentially you don't want anyone who receives a dime from tyhe government to be able to vote. No using public roads, power lines , water and sewer, ...I mean, that's theft, right?
     
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    Now your talking............:rocker:
     
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    I'm sure it was their integrity which they were intent on preserving.
     
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    All Muslims should be allowed to vote Twice.
     
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    Make no mistake about it, this is exactly what people like State would prefer. ...
     
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    Oh, STATE! You better not be ignoring me, dammit! Why...I oughtta......
     
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    You just summed up State's intentions in a sentence. Thread over.
     
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    I think a voter needs to prove they have at least a 1/2 of a brain :eek: to vote.
     
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    LOL, Voters prove time and time again they indeed do have half a brain
     
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    I know a lot of very smart folks, who have no common sense..
     

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