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  1. JR4

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    Better job? Chance to do it on his own?
    A few reasons but maybe there was another added motivating factor.
    Maybe he saw what is about to happen with the PATs.
    After this year, it looks like the PATs will have to put forth a huge rebuilding effort.
    Over 30 players of the current 50 signed will have their contracts expire
    after this year
    Maybe this had something to do with his decision to leave.
    I would not say he left the PATs in a real good position in this respect.
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    I'm thinking that this has something to do with the CBA... going into an uncapped year, we've got to be careful of contractual obligations, etc... I'm thinking that Pioli (one of BB's best friends... reportedly) and a man that the organization has shown nothing but love and respect for worked hard to make sure that he left us in a great position. Just my 2 pennies, man... but I'm thinking that he wanted to run the whole show and left to join a great NFL franchise (great defined here as great fans, great ownership) w/ the blessing and approval of the Kraft family and BB.
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    No matter what happens with all the players next year,do you really think NEs future looks worse than KCs right now?

    Lets face it KC has not been a formidable team is quite some time,It will take quite a while to get that franchise going in the right direction

    I think Pioli has his hands full at this point going forward
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    Players come and go, we don't have that many irreplaceable guys.

    Belichick.
    Brady.
    Wilfork.

    Would you think we couldn't continue if we lost the likes of Light, Faulk and Seymour ? They're a group I'd LOVE to keep but we'd move on without them.

    Give Pioli credit for leaving with multiple picks in rounds 2 & 3 in hand and Cassel to trade.
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    The pats are fine going foward, i think pioli simply wanted to show he could build a team on his own.
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    This MAY be true. Lose a key guy no problem. But when sooooo many
    players are needed and several of them starters it's like a major rebuilding
    effort. That is a very uncertain situation and we don't have the key man
    Pioli to help in this rebuilding.
    Well at least we can enjoy this year and hope things look differently next
    February.
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    Let's not get overly melodramatic! Quite a few players will be resigned by the Pats either this or next offseason. If you go back and look at most years and the Pats only have 30-40 players on the roster two years out. There are a lot of guys like Larry Izzo, Jabar Gaffney, and others who live off of year to year contracts or at most two year deals. I guarantee you by the end of the offseason there will be at least 5-10 more players under contract for next season.

    Besides, the Pats only have a cap of $64 million for 2010.
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    Don't all the contracts for guys we have on staff expire sometime after this year? And isn't the same true for all players on the other teams in the NFL?
    Are you saying KC locks up their players for life?
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    Why do you think this year is any worse than previous years personnel-wise? The Pats usually have a ton of players with short term contracts, thus the near future does not look any worse than the prior years he stayed with the Pats.

    As for the uncapped contract problem, if the NFL turns into MLB, who would you rather work for as a personnel guy, the Yankees or the Marlins, the team with the money or the team without? No way can KC go head-to-head with New England if the competition is a money game.

    In the end, Pioli likely left to stretch his wings because he otherwise would never know how much of the team's success is Belichick, nor what it is like to actually run the team alone and establish your own identity. No way I see him bailing because the situation gets a little tense with contract management.
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    Or perhaps he's saying that KC has a much better talent base locked up for the 2010 season?

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    It isn't a major rebuilding effort. If there is an uncapped year, the Pats will have 13 RFA next year including Gostkowski, Hobbs, Kazcur, and Mankins. The Pats can easily retain those guys with the cap room they have. Without the uncapped year, Hobbs and Mankins become free agents, but the Pats will have plenty of room to sign both along with either Wilfork or Seymour (maybe both) and Neal.

    The Pats will be fine. They will have something like $80-90 million to sign free agents next year. If the Pats had only 30 guys on the roster and only $20 million in cap room, then I would be worried.
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    We have half a team, 26 players, 11 starters under contract beyond 2009. And we spend half our projected cap money on them.
    A reasonable estimate is that 6-8 rookies would make the team each year. Call it 13 over the next 2 years.
    That means over the next 2 off-seasons we need to 'add' 14 players, including the ones already on our roster with contracts expiring this year, those that are free agents this years (including RFA, ERFA) plus anyone we sign from free agency.
    I'm sorry, what exactly says this is a problem?

    This thread is the worst kind of alamrism.
    Someone decided to look and see how many players we have under contract 2 years out for the first time ever, then decided without looking any further (such as how it compares to every other year) that it must be a huge problem.

    Its kind of like asking a 2 year old who can only count to 100 if 100 is a lot. (without asking them a lot of what)
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    I agree. I think last offseason we only had about 35 players under contract going into the offseason. They didn't rebuild.

    If the Pats trade Cassel, they could have up to six picks in the first three rounds alone this offseason. I can see up to 10 rookies making the roster this year. Even if the Pats trade away some of those picks, they will either have an impact veteran or a high draft pick next year.

    Also, many of the free agents next year are either expendable or will come back to the Patriots for the veteran minimum or slightly more. Do you think guys like Kelley Washington, Ray Ventrone, Ryan O'Callanhan, Sam Aiken, and Billy Yates are so valuable and irreplaceable. Some of these guys are solid special teamers, but solid special teamers are pretty replacable. The Pats do it almost every year.
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    Pioli revealed the reason in his first news conference with the chiefs.... his wife wanted to raise their daughter in the midwest (where she grew up) and NOT in New England.
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    ok, maybe it was the fact that now he has his own team to run instead of being hidden in the shadows of BB
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    Good for her....... let her marry a farmer and live hapily ever after as a Jayhawk.
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    BTW - of the Steelers team that beat the Seahawks just three years ago, only 20 of them were still around this year. It's the NFL, blink and something changes. That's why the organization is what's important.
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    Of the 2007 Patriots that went 18-1 and were one minute away from the perfect season, how many of those players were on the 2003 or 2004 Patriots Super Bowl teams? Brady, Light, Faulk, Seymour, Wilfork (only 2004), Warren, Watson (although it was one game in 2004 only), Vrabel, Bruschi, Harrison, Wilson, Samuel, Gay (2004 only), Neal (2004 only since he was on IR all of 2003), Koppen, Izzo, and Colvin. So only 17 players from the 2004 team were on the team in 2007.

    So the Pats completely rebuilt their team while Pioli was here (technically twice since the 2003 and 2004 team was very different than the 2001 team). The Pats were any one of three or four plays from being the only team to ever go 19-0 on a completely rebuilt team. And people think that Pioli left because the Pats may need to rebuild?
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    He just wanted to have the opportunity to fire Herman Edwards.......
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    people like to progress in their careers........pioli is no different......and BB is more likely to give up coaching before he gives up control
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