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    Glenn Dorsey is projected in the top 3 in virtually every mock draft you can find. He is a dominant defensive lineman, would be terrific in the 3-4, and plays at BB's favorite prospect school, LSU.

    His toughness and versatility makes him the perfect Patriots star. Sure, we are already set on the line, but we like to rotate players in and out, and who knows how long we'll have our other guys for. Besides most defenders aren't full-time players in their first year or two under BB.

    In my opinion this is a big-time slam dunk if he is available, and a no-brainer.
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    Richard Seymour, Vince Wilfork, Ty Warren, Jarvis Green.


    Secondary and linebacker are much bigger concerns. The Dolphins will probably take him before the Pats even pick anyways.
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    The fact that we have four great linemen occupying three positions just goes to show you can't have enough players for our schemes. Undoubtedly Dorsey would simply allow us more options and domination.
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    At some point it's overkill - we'd have like 1/3 of the salary cap locked up in the DL. Better to trade down and get the LB or DB of our choosing at a more reasonable price tag.
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    If Dorsey were available at #5 there is no doubt in my mind BB would draft him. Dorsey is a rare, rare talent. It all goes back to BB/Parcells old quote that there are only so many fast, 330 pound guys on this planet.

    That said, he is likely going to go #1 overall unless some team reaches for a QB at that spot.

    While some might think it's overkill, I believe the Pats would simply play more 4-3.
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    LB would be less of a concern as the team would shift to more 4-3. And before folks start talking about how BB is a 3-4 coach and he's not going to change his scheme, if anything, BB has shown he is the ultimate testament to Darwinism: he is the most adaptable coach in the league and constantly changes his game plans and schemes to play to his players strengths.

    He would do this if Dorsey were available.
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    I've watched a lot of Dorsey (and by extension, LSU), and while he's a great talent, I think he ultimately ends up as more of a 1-gap, 3 technique tackle, shooting gaps and blowing up plays in the backfield, than a dominant 2-gap defensive end in the 3-4. Not that he couldn't play that role, but I think it goes away from his strengths. Unless we plan to play more four man lines, or want to spend a high pick and a lot of money on what would essentially be a pass-rush specialist in our scheme, I can't see it happening. Trading down is still the best option.
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    Seymour, Wilfork, Dorsey, Warren would make one unbelievable front 4. Not sure if it would happen, but who knows. I thinks some depends on how BB feels the backup DLinemen are progressing.
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    Linebacker would be more of a concern since we don't have anyone fast enough to cover ground with only three. Heck, they have trouble with four.
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    Linebacker would be more of a concern since we don't have anyone fast enough to cover ground with only three. Heck, they have trouble with four.

    Four 300 lb. linemen? Yeah right.
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    I'm not sure I follow your logic. What does the LB corp look like when they go 4-3 right now? Vrable & Colvin outside, Bruschi inside?

    I'd think in 08 if they had a guy like Dorsey, they'd keep Vrable & Colvin outside and AD inside. You don't think those guys are fast enough at LB?
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    4 people cover more ground than 3 people.

    Teams that play 4-3 all the time have lighter and faster LBs than we do.

    We'll also basically have 4 defensive tackles starting.

    I don't know how to explain these things any simpler, I am not a football expert. Some people here are, ask them.
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    Looking at the teams vying for the #1 spot, Miami & the Jets would almost surely take Dorsey, so the chances that he slides out of the top 2 are pretty minimal.
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    Everything I have read have him listed as a great fit in a 4-3 defense, he is too short to play end for the Pats and too light to play NT. He may be a great player but I would rather have McFadden or Jake Long.
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    It doesn't show that. It shows you need more than 3 for 3 positions. Doesn't mean you need 20 or 15 or even 5. Lots of "dominant" guys in college become just pretty good guys in the NFL. Nothing is guaranteed.
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    Well, he probably doesnt like LSU kids as much, since his buddy Saban isn't there anymore. BB is a low risk draft guy... want to take players he knows he'll get along with in the classroom, if he possibly can.

    I expect more Florida and Notre Dame and Iowa and Fresno players coming our way... and, soon enough, Alabama.

    Still, Dorsey does deserve consideration. Ty Warren's contract will be up in... wait a sec... I just checked Miguel's page, and it looks like Warren has signed an extension into 2013. When did that happen?!?

    Well, then, Seymour's contract runs out in 2009. By then, Dorsey would have established himself on the team, and maybe we would let Richard walk instead of re-signing him. Wilfork's runs out in 2009, and we have absolutely no credible depth behind him.

    If BB believes in Dorsey as deeply as everyone else does, then I think it needs to be a consideration. Remember that BB drafted Watson when presented with the opportunity, although he had no compelling need at the position. Especially with a roster as filled out as it is, he can afford to go where the value is.
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    I agree. Bill would not pass up on a player of his caliber imo. That said we have a second rounder and a high third rounder to go along with our orig third rounder bill and co could use for db's.

    BB has done a great job drafting db's in later rounds.
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    They went 4-3 in the SB and Colvin was one of the ends.

    In general you need smaller faster linebackers to get to the corners, at least that's the way it's played. I don't know if Vrabel at 270 and Colvin at 260 or whatever are quick enough.

    Dorsey is more a classic 4-3 penetrating type of lineman whereas in teh 3-4 mostly they are holding their ground and taking up blockers. So I don't know if he's big enough to man the nose or fast enough to man the end. Kind of a gamble.

    Wilfork was more a 4-3 penetrator, very quick, but he was big enough to do the role he has now.
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    Sorry, buddy, no way Dorsey slips past Miami. I can't wait to have big #72 on our team. This guy is going to be the best DT in the league for years to come.
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    Knowing Camerons track record on draft decisions you might end up with the highest drafted punter, or another kick returner back there with Ginn.
    You never know Cameron might trade the pick for some kid he knew from some guy who used to cut his neighbors lawn.
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