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  1. PatriotsReign

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    #18 Jersey

    I don't believe that the "tax" on premium policies is definite. I know it was being considered but went against Obama's promise "Not to raise taxes on those making less than $250K"

    So let's just see if that PROMISE is broken.

    To recap;

    Obamacare will provide low-cost to free health care to those who can't afford it.

    Obamacare will result in HIGHER insurance costs to those of us who WORKED to get company paid health insurance

    Obama wants to add a tax onto to those who WORKED to get company paid health insurance....EXCEPT THOSE IN UNIONS!

    So in order to pay for health insurance for those who can't afford it, those of us who WORKED to get company paid health insurance will pay MORE for that benefit AND pay an ADDITIONAL TAX upon the benefit we WORKED to get.

    Yup, make a lot of sense to me!:rolleyes:

    Let us pray this thing is repealed soon! All those who WORKED to get company paid health insurance, please join me.
     
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    #24 Jersey

    While we're at it, let's also remember that many, if not all, of the people recently elected to office were elected on the premise and promise that JOBS FOR AMERICANS and THE ECONOMY would be their number 1 priority.

    Let's also remember that all the time and money they now intend on wasting on fighting another round of health care benefits will be time taken away from that supposedly No. 1 Priority.

    Let us also remember that while you-all keep insisting that this is what ALL AMERICANS WANT - that most of the races won were close ones - meaning that there is still a large percentage of people who DIDN'T vote for them and who do NOT agree with them.

    Let us also remember that only 18% of American voters polled cited health care as a priority concern.

    Most voters are worried about the economy. In fact, 62 percent listed it as the top priority in a national exit poll. Only 18 percent cited health care, with illegal immigration and Afghanistan trailing with 8 percent each.

    Voters want lawmakers to fix economy | desmoinesregister.com | The Des Moines Register

    Let us not overlook the fact that, despite what Republicans have said, repealing health care reform would immediately add $143 billion to the deficit.

    Add to that the cost of overriding automatic cuts in Medicare fees paid to doctors and Republicans would have added about $160 billion to the deficit before even getting out of the blocks
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    Want to undo health care reform? Be prepared to pay.

    Let us not forget that, in a Harvard October poll people questioned about health care gave the following answers:

    The October Harvard poll found that 41 percent of registered voters say they are for repealing or dismantling the new health care reform bill, while 49 percent of them support implementing or even expanding the law.

    Poll Shows Voter Divide on Health Care - Cristine Russell - Politics - The Atlantic
     
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    Obamacare is a horrible policy that will only serve to increase the cost of care, while over burdening an already stretched system. That's by design though. The true plan behind Obamacare, is a path to a single payer system. Good times for us in the working class.
     
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    And a path to single payer is the path to one of the most effective heath care system in the world.
     
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    Obama's healthcare plan is highly flawed, but something needs to be done about the problem of health insurance being unaffordable to so many people.

    It's that simple.

    I'd take some of the politicians opposing the plan much more seriously if they were offering anything to address this enormous problem.
     
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    Sure, if by "effective" you're a closet socialist who considers watered down, substandard, rationed care for everyone but the elite who can afford otherwise, is "effective". Having spent as much time in a european country as I have, that employs a socialized single payer system, I'll pass on one thanks. If you've never known any better, then it might seem great to you. The truth is, it's not.


    None of this matters since Obamacare is unconstitutional, and will be deemed so once it gets to the SCOTUS.
     
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    You're aware that health care is "rationed" just as much here as it is anywhere else, right?

    Further, Obamacare is not unconstitutional. You might argue the mandate is unconstitutional, and if the SCOTUS finds that to be the case it will be severed from the law and the law itself will be amended accordingly.
     
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    I'm curious as to what your ideal solution would be. Everyone knows that health care costs are on an unsustainable trajectory. Chico noted that while Obamacare is flawed, it's at least a serious attempt at addressing the problem.

    What's the GOP position on health care? Where is their plan?
     
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    The dems are about to lose Weiner's old seat, Obamacare is part of the reason.
     
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    Link?

    ...........
     
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    Sure

    GOP Challenger Pulls Ahead in Race for Weiner’s Spot - ABC News


    The seat held by schmuck Schumer prior to Weiner, hard to believe the dems could lose that seat...... :D


    No wonder the dems are panicking/
     
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    Perhaps you misunderstood my question.

    Link?
     
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    #24 Jersey

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    We're thinking about it.

    God Willing
     
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    #24 Jersey

    And from other surveys taken the same week ----

    The race for the U.S. House seat vacated by disgraced New York Rep. Anthony D. Weiner - once thought to be a lock for Democrats - continues to be closer than expected. Just how close depends on who’s counting.

    Results of a survey released Friday by the Democratic polling firm Global Strategy Group showed Democrat David Weprin with an 8 percentage-point lead - 47 percent to 39 percent - over Republican Bob Turner. A large number of potential voters in the New York City district - 14 percent - said they were undecided.

    The pollster noted that Mr. Weprin’s poll numbers improved significantly after he received an endorsement last week from the New York Times.

    But GOP pollster McLaughlin & Associates portrayed a different scenario Thursday when it released the results of a poll that showed the candidates deadlocked with 42 percent of the vote. Sixteen percent of that survey’s respondents in the district, which includes parts of Brooklyn and Queens, were undecided.


    Race for Weiner's seat close but margin is up for debate - Washington Times

    Doesn't matter anyhow, does it, since 13 has stated that polls are mostly a waste of time to begin with.

    http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...more-when-he-had-votes-page8.html#post2623301
     
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    The dem should be ahead by 20 pts in that district, a close race is a disaster for dem prospects next year.
    The panic and dear among dems is not just for this seat but for the election next year with an unpopular, failed president atop the ticket and 24 dem senate seats up for grabs.


    Have fun whistling past the graveyard.
     
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    Yawn. So, once again, you made a claim you have no evidence to support.
     
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    HAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!! That isn't a claim it is a statement based on previous elections in that district and the vote for the dem candidates. The dems are poised to lose a congressional seat in New York City that covers parts of Queens and Brooklyn.

    Spin all you want congressional dems are looking at this an crapping their pants.

    :D

    Here another poll a lefty on this time:


    Turner poised for big upset - Public Policy Polling
     
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    Worst. Reading comprehension. Ever.
     
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    Have fun with the spin, JMO 2012 will be WORSE for the dem party that 2010. :D
     

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