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    As Globe closure looms, pressmen reach agreement; Guild goes home - Local News Updates - The Boston Globe

    Check out the picture at the top of the story.

    Compare the physiques of the Guild rep.s to that of the management negotiator (facing the camera). Remember well, these are the people fighting for LIFETIME JOB GUARANTEES. A little personal responsibility, and performance measurements may be something of a paradigm shift, perhaps. If one or two of them were fat, then OK. But it's a unanimous 5 versus the one thin management guy. I've seen many similar examples over the past 20+ years of being in the business/government workplace.

    Shmessy opined (tho' not posted yet) something to the effect of: "Look at the sizes of those people! It's like the movie Wall-E. No wonder we must all teach our next generation to speak Chinese?"

    Am I being "judgemental" Yes. What's that old quote about "Being fat, dumb and lazy is no way to go through life, son"????

    A way of life is a way of life. That picture says something that is NOT a mere coincidence.
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    Um, someone rell this guy that the paper is going out of business. It's pretty simple Daniel. You can work to find an agreement, or your members can go find a job someplace else. The paper isn't so much bullying, as it's trying to fight for it's very survival.
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    Sorry to burst your bubble but....
    Take another look at the picture after you read the second photo identifier. Gregory Thorton, the lead negotiator for the paper is the gentleman in the pinkish shirt with his right shoulder on the locker. It’s not the thin gentleman with the sportjacket and the blue shirt,he is apparently with the guild....
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    The guy with his back to the camera in that second photo is nowhere near the corpulence of the "Jobs for Life" people in the two pictures. I'm willing to bet that the guy in the sports coat first picture not a union guy, but probably a lawyer, mediator, etc.

    We need fewer toll collectors, MBTA adjunct drivers, nepotism clerks of court, etc. They should move their fat arses and compete in the 21st century.

    .......and this is coming from a Liberal!
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    Nice thread but where you been???? Been saying this for years on this list.



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    Not to be a pain but you said, " But it's a unanimous 5 versus the one thin management guy" implying that the guy in the jacket (thin) was management and the other 5 were 'corpulent'. I simply pointed out that one of those 5 was in fact the management representative. look at both figures, it's the same guy. Neither of us know if the guy in the sport jacket is union or management but what we do know if that it wasn't as cut and dry as you implied.....
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    The Times is mostly po'd because they spent over a billion for the Globe 15 years ago and now that money's almost all gone. It was their awful business decision that's cost them a great deal of money and now they want the working stiffs who have had no say in how things are managed to share in their misery. Pragmatically, sure they have to make concessions or the Times can always just pull the plug; but if the Times does that they kiss off 1.1 billion. I wouldn't be in a hurry either. I'll guarantee that if they do get around to developing a good business model and the paper returns to profitability the Times will be the one dragging its feet over sharing the wealth.
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    Point taken.

    In the first photo, there are five people who are 5 by 5 talking to one thin guy in a jacket. We have no idea who the thin guy is, but a pretty good guess is that the five people (who are all FACING this man) are, ahem, union officials who believe it is fair for someone in this day and age (who is not a Pope or Supreme Court Justice) to have a lifetime guarantee of a job.

    The photo is a allegory for what seems pretty prevalent in Boston union circles. Human progress and betterment (and personal growth, other than physical) doesn't seem to be at the top of these peoples' priority lists. Of course, the same can be said of fat oil company exec.s who try to squelch technological improvements of alternative energy.

    Some people are forward looking, others just care about what they are going to eat tonight.
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    No, it's not a pretty good guess as I already pointed out that at least one of the five is a management representative. Look at the photos, both of them, please read the caption and then compare the photos....
    Face it, you tried to make it point, it was wrong (unions-fat and slovenly- management-thin and trim)and admit it....
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    It funny when us "liberals" begin to get old. We start to see the truth and begin to rail against things we once defended. I used to fully support unions, but now I agree with you.
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    Dude, Callaghan and Thornton are not even in the first photo at all. They weren't taken at the same time.

    Between the two photos, there is a total of seven subjects.

    BTW, card check is unjust.
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    ‘Dude’ we’ll have to disagree. Look at the color of the shirt, the haircut and the height of the individual in the first picture to the right of the woman and compare it to the second picture with the individual identified as Thorton. Combine that with the walls in both pictures ( cabinets, same color cinder block) and it leads to the conclusion that Thorton is in both pictures and the only difference is that they were taken from different angles as the cinder block is on the left in one shot and in the right on the other.

    At least we agree card check is unjust....
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    Callaghan is definitely not in the first picture.

    Not sure if that is Thornton in the first picture.
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    Back to the main point, however. As someone who grew up taking the Green Line 5-8 times per week, I have a definite opinion on fat, pampered, satisfied with the status quo "Jobs For Life" MBTA officials, toll takers, court clerks, newspaper guilders, etc.

    They need to go the way of the dinosaur QUICKLY before they completely drag down our society.

    People here complain about "welfare queens" - - that's EASY to repair. The politically powerful unions are the real tough nut that brings down the society.
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    Then why did the NYT refuse to show their books on the matter when requested upon, nor how they arrived at the $20M figure in the first place?
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    'Cause maybe the New York Times is only champion of the working man and unions when they don't have to pay their fair share of the load????



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    Just remember those human garages, shifting from one foot to another, arguing for the redundant "Jobs for Life" for their anachronistic shop while watching THIS video (from another thread - mods, feel free to merge the two threads if you feel it necessary):

    YouTube - Did You Know?

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