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  1. PatSunday

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    WHY MOSS IS MORE IMPRESSIVE THAN JERRY RICE (RE: TOUCHDOWN RECORDS)
    1. Randy Moss is in mid-career and already has THREE 17+ touchdown seasons -- Jerry Rice is retired and had TWO 17+ touchdown seasons.
    2. Moss has done this as a rookie.
    3. Moss has done this under two different quarterbacks.
    4. Moss has done this for two different teams.
    5. Moss had to play against full-strength starters and did not enjoy playing in a strike season against replacements.
    6. Moss has lead two teams to the #1 and #2 NFL Record for "Most Points Scored in a Season"
    7. Moss has lead two teams to the #1 and #2 NFL Record for "Most Yards in a Season"
    8. Moss had 10 touchdowns for 40 yards or more in 1998, his rookie year.
    9. Moss has done it twice without a hall of fame QB.
    10. Up until Brady this year, Moss has not played with a hall of fame QB at all, while Jerry Rice had a Hall of Fame QB every single one of his 16 seasons.*
    11. Randy Moss is on pace to beat the single game touchdown record, his first time with a hall of fame QB.
    *12. Both Randy Moss and Jerry Rice had unremarkable seasons with the Raiders.
    13. Catching 22 touchdowns in a year when everyone else was busy looking for another job because they didn't know if the NFL would exist or not is not impressive.
    14. In this day and age, scoring 17+ touchdowns even once is more impressive than Jerry Rice's 22 touchdown record.
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    Nice points. I would also add that he played with some average to terrible qbs in his years in Minnesota and Oakland (although he was injured in Oakland and the offensive line was abysmal so he didn't have good production).
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    I don't think Rich Gannon's in the Hall.
  4. TheGodInAGreyHoodie

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    Actually last I check, neither is Tom Brady.
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    Or Matt Hasellbeck.
  6. PatSunday

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    Neither is Adam Vinatieri, and he had the highest QB rating the season Manning scored 49 touchdowns.
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    1986 - Rice had 86/1570/15; Montana only played 8 games, attempted only 307 passes, and threw only 8 TDs; Jeff Kemp and Mike Moroski threw the 49ers' other 273 pass attempts and 13 TDs

    1991 - Rice had 80/1206/14; Montana only played 11 games, attempted only 279 passes, and threw 17 TDs; Steve Bono and Bill Musgrave threw the 49ers' other 242 pass attempts and 12 TDs

    1995- when Young was injured again, and Elvis Grbac threw 30 percent of the 49ers passes. Rice had 1848 receiving yards and 15 TDs

    1996 - Rice had 108/1254/8; Young only played 12 games, attempted only 316 passes, and threw 14 TDs; Elvis Grbac and Jeff Brohm threw the 49ers' other 231 pass attempts and 9 TDs

    In the cases above, not sure how to find game logs to compare his performance with the different QBs, but it seems pretty unlikely that he compiled a disproportionate amount of his statistics with Montana and Young as opposed to the other QBs.

    Also:

    2001 - Rice had 83/1139/9 at age 39; Rich Gannon was his QB with Oakland

    2002 - Rice had 92/1211/7 at age 40; Rich Gannon was his QB with Oakland with a super Bowl appearance thrown
    So, just because Rice was fortunate enough to play with two all time great QBs does not mean he wouldn't have been productive with other QBs.

    As far as Rice's comments, I wish he had just said he'd congratulate Moss. No need to feel defensive about his accomplishments. Just because he said this doesn't mean there is a need to diminish Rice's accomplishments.


    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=131
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    ? You lost me with the Adam Vinatieri reference.

    BOTTOM LINE IS mOSS IS AN EXCEPTIONAL WR, but as of today Rice had the better career
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    In 2004 AV had a QB rating of 122.9, PM had a QB rating of 121.1, BTW 9 other players had even higher QB ratings 4 having QB ratings of 158.3.

    BTW this year 3 players have a higher QB rating than Tom, LT has a 158.3.
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    OK I get you, you are rite Adam Vinatieri is a hell of a QB.:)
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    Regular season

    * Receptions (1,549)
    * Receiving yards (22,895)
    * Touchdown receptions (197)
    * All-purpose yards (23,540)
    * Touchdowns (208) [197-p, 10-r, 1-ret]
    * Receiving yards gained in a single season (1,848)
    * Touchdown receptions in a single season (22) --done in only 12 games.
    * Seasons with at least 50 receptions (17)
    * Seasons with at least 100 receptions (4)
    * Seasons with at least 1,000 receiving yards (14)
    * Games with at least 100 receiving yards (76)
    * Consecutive games with at least one reception (274)
    * Consecutive games with at least one touchdown reception (13)
    * Most games played by a wide receiver (303)

    He is currently the only player in the post NFL/AFL merger era to gain a single-season major offensive title with an output double that of the number two man. His 22 touchdown catches in 1987 were twice that of Mike Quick's 11.

    Postseason

    * Games played (29)
    * Touchdowns (22)
    * Receptions (151)
    * Yards receiving (2,245)
    * Touchdown receptions in a single game (3, three times; 10 others have had 3 in a game once)
    * Games with at least 100 receiving yards (8)
    * Consecutive games with at least one reception (28)

    Super Bowl

    * Receptions (39)
    * Yards receiving (589)
    * All-purpose yards (604)
    * Touchdown receptions (8)
    * Points scored (48)
    * Receptions in a single game (11)
    * Yards receiving in a single game (215)
    * Touchdown receptions in a single game (3, twice)
    * Points scored in a single game (18, twice)

    Plus 3 rings, zero jail sentences, zero occasions traded for being a cancer to his team, etc, etc. It's really not even remotely close, and I'm someone who thinks Moss is a first ballot Hall of Famer.
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    #12 Jersey

    I just ignore it nowadays :D
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    Good stuff mang, you won me over.
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    Now that you guys mention it, I'm pretty sure that Randy Moss has a higher passer rating than Rice. :D I was wondering when they would let him throw the ball. I wouldn't mind seeing it again. Maybe they are holding back some more trick plays for the playoffs.
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    Also, he has played twice as many seasons as Moss with much better supporting casts except for this year so you can't compare their career stats yet. I admit that Rice is far and away the best offensive, non-qb ever right now in terms of career stats.
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    Why was 17 TDs arbitrarily chosen as the standard here?

    Rice "only" had 2 17+ TD year....but how about 13 TD years? In his first 11 seasons in the league, he had 8 13 TD years to Moss's 5.

    Why can't 13 be the number?

    Rice was simply a better receiver who had a better career. Both are HoF WRs...
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    I think Moss is unbelievable but I dont think hes more impressive than Jerry Rice. The game has changed so much since the time of Jerry Rice. Its now a WR's game. Things have gotten so much easier with all the new rules. I guarantee you that if Rice was in his prime and playing today under a QB like Brady, you'd be tripping over your tongue when you read his stats after each week.
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    Oh, BS.

    A. Rice played with multiple QBs too. OK, they were Montana and Young, but still ...

    B. Rice didn't play against strike replacements. People weren't worried about their jobs; the strike was settled. The only difference the strike made is that guys were out of shape -- which was probably an advantage for notoriously hard worker Rice, who can presumed to have NOT been out of shape.

    C. It's easier to get passing stats nowadays than it used to be. Saying the opposite is just silly.

    And by the way, Candlestick Park (or whatever they call it now) is not a QB paradise, any more than the Northeast is.
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    Why is there an obsession by some people to say our guy is better than (insert name of hall of famer)? There are at least one or two threads like this every week. And Jerry Rice of all people this time, who is the undisputed greatest receiver of all-time and second best is not even close.
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