Why isn't Gillette Stadium as loud as other stadiums

[SHOWTIME15]

Yea I know you're going to say that its because we're used to winning but if i could get season tickets i'd scream my ass off until i could barely speak. I started to think about this because patriots all access discussed how pats fans are spoiled and really dont pick up the noise until the playoffs. We need to make it hard on teams that visit us. Especially like this week with manning coming into town. As much as he loves to change up the calls on the go, if we had a loud stadium that would def make it hard on his offense to listen to what he's calling out. We need our own hype man like fireman ed does for the jets.

Anyone willing to apply for the position? lol:singing:

good question, is it the accousitics or the crowd itself? I happen to think and most people might not agree with me that northeasterners in general are more quiet in general than elsewhere. i see the same thing in Yankee stadium and other places. You go to the south for an SEC football game, boy it's a big difference. We've been raised to be "proper" and not rowdy.

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Maybe the fans should lube up? :confused2:

 

[robbomango]

The fans in the Pacific Northwest are a different breed. The only place I can think of where fandom is rabid for both college and pro sports. Watch a Seattle MLS game just once and you'll realize fans in that city have taken it to a higher level. An old buddy has season tix to both the Sounders and Seahawks, and he is always telling me about the level of hysteria which starts 15 minutes before the games start and stays strong till the end. All stadiums have their moments of hysteria.....but Seattle goes stronger and longer.....like Viagra

Gillette is a pancake compared to Seattles echo-chamber-of-madness. Poor design gives you flat short lived sound, that puts fans in a position of picking and choosing certain games worthy of blowing out their vocal cords.

It's actually tragic because it's not their fault and they get a ton of flack for it. Seattle fans would fair no better, that's a promise. Spend a few minutes looking at the design, it's horrendous.

Screw Seattle fans, I'm sick of them taking all the credit for state of the art engineering

EDIT: Then again it's only 8 games they have to go buck wild, that's not to much.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Conversely, when's the last time the Pats were blowing the other team away and the place was roaring?

So then the place can get loud despite the design and acoustics.

 

[neuronet]

Sorry, but you look at the MNF game against the Jets in 2010 and last years playoff games as prime examples...people say you can't tell by TV but it was CLEARLY louder in those games compared to others.

Your welcome. I was there screaming until the very last snap. By the end of the game, the stands were empty enough that I was able to snake my way down to row 20 on the 50 yard line. One of the best experiences I have ever had in my life was being part of that crowd noise. Not *quite* as meaningful as the birth of my first daughter.

But note if that had been Arrowhead, it would have been absolutely deafening. That's the point. To create that level of noise at Arrowhead would take MUCH less effort.

People here acting like acoustics/geometry aren't important are absolute idiots. Ask anyone that has actually played in a stadium.

Here's a thought experiment: shape a stadium like a pancake, with seats back from the field by 1/4 mile, and seats 10 feet apart, with no walls. Second, a stadium shaped like a beer mug, seating starts 15 feet from the field, and the stadium has a cap on top, with seats basically on top of one another the angle in the stands is so steep. Each stadium holds the same number of people. Have each person "scream" at 50 dB, and stand at the 50 yard line. Which would be worse for an offense?

Basically, Gillette is a pancake. Yes, of course you can make noise in such a configuration, you idiots, but that doesn't mean it is easy or the same as every other stadium.

Do not even reply unless you have looked at the images on page 2 of this thread. This is like arguing with creationists. Jeez. :eat1:

 

[Off The Grid]

Your welcome. I was there screaming until the very last snap. By the end of the game, the stands were empty enough that I was able to snake my way down to row 20 on the 50 yard line. One of the best experiences I have ever had in my life was being part of that crowd noise. Not *quite* as meaningful as the birth of my first daughter.

But note if that had been Arrowhead, it would have been absolutely deafening. That's the point. To create that level of noise at Arrowhead would take MUCH less effort.

People here acting like acoustics/geometry aren't important are absolute idiots. Ask anyone that has actually played in a stadium.

Here's a thought experiment: shape a stadium like a pancake, with seats back from the field by 1/4 mile, and seats 10 feet apart, with no walls. Second, a stadium shaped like a beer mug, seating starts 15 feet from the field, and the stadium has a cap on top, with seats basically on top of one another the angle in the stands is so steep. Each stadium holds the same number of people. Have each person "scream" at 50 dB, and stand at the 50 yard line. Which would be worse for an offense?

Basically, Gillette is a pancake. Yes, of course you can make noise in such a configuration, you idiots, but that doesn't mean it is easy or the same as every other stadium.

Do not even reply unless you have looked at the images on page 2 of this thread. This is like arguing with creationists. Jeez. :eat1:

Preach it, Brother Neuro!! :rocker:

How is it even possible to fail to grasp the dramatic handicap that PanCake Stadium imposes on noise levels??

It is astonishing to me that anyone can't grasp these simple basics.

 

[Tunescribe]

Preach it, Brother Neuro!! :rocker:

How is it even possible to fail to grasp the dramatic handicap that PanCake Stadium imposes on noise levels??

It is astonishing to me that anyone can't grasp these simple basics.

The other essential point is that Gillette crowds are no different than crowds in every other NFL stadium. Some games they're rowdier/louder than other games -- depending on opponent, game situations, etc. There is nothing inherently lacking in the makeup of Pats fans attending games at Gillette.

 

[MP-Logick]

Domed???
"Allen rejected plans for a retractable roof during the early stages of the stadium's design. The lack of a retractable roof made it open to the elements, provided better views, and reduced the total cost of the project." Wikipedia

Open at both ends??
"The configuration of CenturyLink Field is a U-shape with an open north end to provide views of downtown Seattle and the large north plaza." Wikipedia

DaBruinz......if you are going to abuse someone...at least try to get one fact correct

Correct...

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

Your welcome. I was there screaming until the very last snap. By the end of the game, the stands were empty enough that I was able to snake my way down to row 20 on the 50 yard line. One of the best experiences I have ever had in my life was being part of that crowd noise. Not *quite* as meaningful as the birth of my first daughter.

But note if that had been Arrowhead, it would have been absolutely deafening. That's the point. To create that level of noise at Arrowhead would take MUCH less effort.

People here acting like acoustics/geometry aren't important are absolute idiots. Ask anyone that has actually played in a stadium.

Here's a thought experiment: shape a stadium like a pancake, with seats back from the field by 1/4 mile, and seats 10 feet apart, with no walls. Second, a stadium shaped like a beer mug, seating starts 15 feet from the field, and the stadium has a cap on top, with seats basically on top of one another the angle in the stands is so steep. Each stadium holds the same number of people. Have each person "scream" at 50 dB, and stand at the 50 yard line. Which would be worse for an offense?

Basically, Gillette is a pancake. Yes, of course you can make noise in such a configuration, you idiots, but that doesn't mean it is easy or the same as every other stadium.

Do not even reply unless you have looked at the images on page 2 of this thread. This is like arguing with creationists. Jeez. :eat1:

Is there anyone left on this board who can discuss a topic without calling everyone who doesn't agree with them an idiot? Did Dabruinz and Patfanin pittsburgh teach a debating skills class?

No one is denying that the build of the stadium does not lend itself to amplifying or retaining sound. That's assuming there is sound to amplify and retain. I know of no other stadium where fans tell other fans to be quiet and I've been to more than one game where the crowd's been very quiet.

It seems like most are saying it's the design of the stadium but still saying the they can make noise when the want to. Well which one is it? Maybe it's both, maybe it's just not the most vocal crowd to begin with but that they're not helped out by the stadium design.

 

[PP2]

So then the place can get loud despite the design and acoustics.

How many times do I have to say it? Yes, it's possible but the occasions are far and few compared to Arrowhead, because it takes a lot more effort to raise the decibel level at Gillette than at Arrowhead and some people here have interpreted that as being an indication of fanbase loyalty and enthusiasm.

 

[fourhour]

I know of no other stadium where fans tell other fans to be quiet and I've been to more than one game where the crowd's been very quiet.

I was asked to be quiet in Toronto at a Red Sox game. Couldn't believe my ears!

 

[UK_Pat37]

Is there anyone left on this board who can discuss a topic without calling everyone who doesn't agree with them an idiot? Did Dabruinz and Patfanin pittsburgh teach a debating skills class?

No one is denying that the build of the stadium does not lend itself to amplifying or retaining sound. That's assuming there is sound to amplify and retain. I know of no other stadium where fans tell other fans to be quiet and I've been to more than one game where the crowd's been very quiet.

It seems like most are saying it's the design of the stadium but still saying the they can make noise when the want to. Well which one is it? Maybe it's both, maybe it's just not the most vocal crowd to begin with but that they're not helped out by the stadium design.

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The issue I have is people on here basically have said that sometimes there isn't much noise...but Gillette is quite open so it's a good excuse to not put in the extra effort.

You have 16 games (up to 19/20 if you're lucky enough) to cheer for. BIG DEAL. Five frigging months of your life to 'put out' for the team you love. Non-season ticket holders maybe not even that much.

I watch every home game my local soccer team has and I know a lot of fans who attend every away game too. That's 46 league games that spans nine months. That doesn't include cup games of which you play at least three and more if you progress on in the competition...try shouting your arse off at every one of those game which, FYI, we do...and it's not like they don't lose their voices AND our local stadium which seats 11, 000 has an open end too.....

So quit moaning.

 

[shmessy]

A true blind spot that's never been satisfactorily explained. Some stadiums are shaped like a cup, some like a bowl. Gillette is shaped like a plate.

I've sat a few times in the nosebleeds - - they are not only high up but somewhere in Providence, RI. The people in my section felt out of the action for a reason - - we all were in a different zip code.

Very different from my times in cheap seats in DC, NY and Philly - - -you may be high up - - but you are still close to the action - - at least down and not across so much.

The times in the lower bowl 100's were similar to times in lower bowls anywhere else.

 

[Tunescribe]

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I watch every home game my local soccer team has and I know a lot of fans who attend every away game too. That's 46 league games that spans nine months. That doesn't include cup games of which you play at least three and more if you progress on in the competition...try shouting your arse off at every one of those game which, FYI, we do...and it's not like they don't lose their voices AND our local stadium which seats 11, 000 has an open end too.....

Just out of curiosity: how do you manage to stay awake at soccer games, let alone find the energy to cheer? :singing:

 

[UK_Pat37]

Just out of curiosity: how do you manage to stay awake at soccer games, let alone find the energy to cheer? :singing:

Lower league soccer, which isn't really televised like the Premier League, is much more entertaining!

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Follow up question:

Why the eff didn't Kraft design the stadium to maximize crowd noise? Other owners have.

 

[shmessy]

Just out of curiosity: how do you manage to stay awake at soccer games, let alone find the energy to cheer? :singing:

Ummmm.....I think we all know what British fans do to quell the boredom during soccer games......

 

[shmessy]

Follow up question:

Why the eff didn't Kraft design the stadium to maximize crowd noise? Other owners have.

My question is, Steve Burton brought it up on Patriots All Access in his piece with Perrillo and Reiss.

He has access to Bob Kraft. Why is he wasting everyone's time asking Perrillo and Reiss?

Why the hell doesn't anyone put Kraft up to that question??????

Why doesn't the media grow a pair and ask the guy who made the decision and STILL doesn't spend a few million to at least put up some kind of noise wall around the end zones?

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

How many times do I have to say it? Yes, it's possible but the occasions are far and few compared to Arrowhead, because it takes a lot more effort to raise the decibel level at Gillette than at Arrowhead and some people here have interpreted that as being an indication of fanbase loyalty and enthusiasm.

Say it as many times as you want. There's more than just those two stadiums. Your excuse is they don't want to put in the extra effort, fine now own it. I'm not the one measuring fan loyalty out of this, I'm simply calling BS on the we're just as loud as everybody else but no one knows about it because we're playing in the Great Plains.

 

[robbomango]

Not sure why Kraft didn't go for a noise box, there must be a write up on the design intentions. Nice little read on Allen's stadium, made for crazy noise.

Top 5 Technologies in NFL Stadiums - Popular Mechanics

The architect fulfilled Allen's request, creating one of the league's loudest stadiums, which can get nearly as noisy as a jet plane--135 decibels--and has disrupted visiting teams enough to induce 95 false-start penalties since 2005, the most in the NFL. Contributing greatly to the cacophony is the partial roof that covers 70 percent of the fans from the elements and reflects sound back to the field. Also, with the smallest footprint in the NFL, Qwest Field has a tight seating arrangement that puts fans really close to the field and concentrates their noise.