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  1. brdmaverick

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    Don't get me wrong, I like the left-to-right TV views that are used currently in the NFL. The problem with this view, however, is that it strictly follows the ball (as it should). We see the quarterback throw the ball and then we see the ball caught by an open receiver. What we don't see is HOW that receiver got open.

    With this camera angle we don't get a good appreciation of each play design or even the defensive strategy. For us fans that would like to re-watch a game with an appreciation of these aspects, I think it would be great if they released the coach's "madden view" film.

    Is the NFL afraid that the average fan may be on to some nuances of some players or defenses if we were to gain access to this film? Even if that were the case, so what? Each coach already has this film, so it's not like there are any secrets to be kept.
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    Well.... are you a coach?
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    with enough money you can have anything you want
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    The NFL is constantly looking for new revenue streams. I'm surprised they haven't made it available for sale already. Maybe after the next CBA it will suddenly be available (with no split to the union, of course.)
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    The future is split and/or quad screen camera angles. Today's large screens and HD make it viewable. The issue now is probably bandwidth? It will likely start off as pay per view. Think of the game tapes we could make with access to 6 or 8 camera angles. I'm also waiting for the x rated football network with mics aimed at the trenches and sidelines. I want to know what those guys are saying...UNCUT. (not holding my breath)
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    I think they're saying 'ground n pound' over and over again.
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    lol....

    "ground and pound baby, it's gonna be a ground and pounder"
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    It would be pretty awesome if they released coach's tape for the avid fan to watch.
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    #50 Jersey

    Haha...more like, 'your mama's ground and pound'.
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    Just what we need ... one more tool for obsessed fans to pick on Belichick even more.
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    Well said, would be interesting to see.. suspect it is devoid of any of the extra's i.e. noise of the game or commentary.. probably would find it pretty boring, but suspect it would appeal to a few...

    It's just raw film isn't it????
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    If you were given the option of choosing the camera angle, i.e behind both end zones or both sidelines, that would be excellent. I'd be interesting in something like that.
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    In the UK for soccer matches, it allows you to press the red button on your remote control and it goes inot a special feature, where you can see upto date game stats, but you can also choose between 3/4 cameras, or you can follow a single player. That would be very cool to watch the NFL through
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    A friend and I were discussing this the other day and couldn't believe the NFL doesn't already offer it. I'd easily pay $29.95 for a box set of DVDs containing my team's games for that season with the coach's film angle. You could add in all sorts of DVD extras. Or charge $49.95 for all games that season. I'm being cheap here, since if it was available, I'd probably pay more (though I'd grumble about it).

    I really don't understand why it's not already done. The only thing I can relate it to is the early SABREmetricians in baseball begging MLB for stats, only MLB couldn't be bothered because they felt these guys were nutjobs, and no one else wanted it. It wasn't until other independent groups started selling the info that MLB jumped on board and realized there was a market for hardcore fans.

    It wouldn't even be much effort. It's just repackaging of existing film. Maybe toss in some extra DVD content per team. And voila.
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    Because the average person has a life?
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    Yup, that's got to be it. :rolleyes:
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    Just a guess here, but I imagine the NFL doesn't actually film this video themselves, it is probably done by low level peons from each team. To track down all the tape each week is maybe now worth their effort?
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    Well actually it is already tracked down as each team gets a copy.

    While there is some demand for such a product, you need to balance, how many people would be willing to pay for the service and does it make financial sense. If only a small number of people would buy it and only if reasonably priced, than it isn't worth the effort as the costs could exceed the revenues.

    I am sure the NFL has considered this and the marketing department determined that the profit margin isn't there.
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    We wouldn't want the average forum poster to actually know what they're talking about, would we? :rofl:
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    At this time, there isn't even enough demand for the network broadcasts...NFL Films started to sell those games a few years ago (NFL Greatest Games series) but they stop producing new sets (the Patriots 10 Greatest Games was taken of the shelves 1 week after distribution) in the past year....so why would they try to sell the coaches films, that less than 1% of their fan base would want ?
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    And anything is for sale. Show up at Godells door with a million bucks and I am sure you can get a copy.
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    Each team should be able to independently decide if they want to make copies of the coach's film for select games available to the public. All they would have to do is copy the existing film onto DVD, package it and then sell it through the pro shop.
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    Comments I've read have lead me to conclude the Pats have an in-house digital video distribution system, i.e. they've got a server farm that will stream whatever video someone in the film room wants to see.

    Its only high schools and non-big-time colleges that still go the VHS/DV route.
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    According to the NFL Network, 135 million people tune in on Sundays to watch football. So if only 1% were willing to fork over $20 to $50, that'd be worth copying over some files to a DVD.

    The NFL is seriously trying to expand their revenue, even sending teams overseas to play real games instead of exhibition games. This is such a simple thing to do. If they don't want to deal with the distribution of it, just set up a simple web shop or sell the rights to someone else. It's not going to rival their ticket or TV income, but it could be similar to stadium naming rights money or other revenue sources.
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    I'm one of those who would pay in order to buy some games. But I don't think the NFL is really looking to expand their revenues going that route, at least for now. If they were, we would have seen much more classic games released on DVD box sets. I think that at the moment, they are realizing that all the current games are being stream on the internet, on torrent site and rapidshare, and they are trying to respond to that. So they released a few 2009 games following the Super Bowl. They are hoping that people will pay instead of getting those games for free on the internet.

    But the market for current games is limited. Even without those internet sites, the NFL has to ''compete'' against DVR and DVD recorder. Where they can make a few $ is with their library of older games. In the VCR days, nobody could get a pristine copy of a game like people can now with high definition, DVR and DVD recorders.

    But that being said, to get back to the topic, I doubt that coaches films would generate much interest among fans. Really, who would want to sit thru 2 hours of game films all butchered up (all huddles edited out, the same play 3 times in a row from different angles, etc) with no sound, except if you are a coach yourself ?
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    excellent question ......... i'd pay to view
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    If they let say Direct TV do it for any game you wanted to see as a replay, I can just imagine what they'd charge for it. You really don't think it'd be free, right?
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    It'd definitely be a niche product, no doubt. But in terms of the amount of effort it would take vs. the reward, I can't imagine why they wouldn't.

    For one thing, the cost of production would be almost nil. They're already paying for the film, equipment, staff, et cetera. It'd just take someone a few minutes to put together all of one team's games. Or alternatively, you throw the entire season in one big package.

    DVDs are extremely cheap. You've got a cheap marketing vehicle in the NFL Network. Raw materials might be $3. If it only appeals to coaches and you're only charging $30, that'd still be more than enough to justify it.

    I understand what you're saying, and I'm sure that factors into it. But I can't imagine them not doing it because it's just so simple. If nothing else, it makes your hardcore fanbase extremely happy, and that's not a bad thing either.
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