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Why is the defense soooo much better this year?

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  1. Froob

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    Curious to what you guys think the main reasons are. Pretty much the same crew + Tommy Kelly. Even without Wilfork still a really good defense. Talib seems to have gone from pretty good to elite.
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    Main reason....Talib. LB play and Jones
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    OP I think you should repost this about 6:45pm next Sunday we will know much more.:D
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    Talib.

    Done.

    BB won't pay him and then we'll go right back to being last in the league. Don't worry.
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    If Kelly's injury is worse than he says,I don't know how this defense will handle 2 losses at DE in 2 weeks,it would devastate this defense up front.
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    1. Improved pass rush.

    2. Improved CB play.

    3. Improvement at FS.

    After this year when the team no doubt loses Talib when someone is willing to pay him more than they are in FA, Dennard will be the CB1 and they'll either have to hope for improvement from Ryan or find a CB2 through the draft or FA.
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    Really sucks Talib didn't sign that multi year 5m a year deal. Dude really made a great call to bet on himself. Redskins better not have cap room.
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    Two rookie QBs, Josh Freeman and Andy Dalton. Even Matt Ryan gaffed on that 4th down throw. OK, OK I'll give the defense some credit but let's not crown their azzis yet.

    Talib had been very good and they haven't been decimated with injuries (yet.) They've also gotten some interior pass rush which I haven't seen from this team in years.

    Now about covering Tight Ends.....
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    Continuity for the first time in a long time.
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    Do you think Dennard is too small to be a #1 though? Say lining up on jones or Johnson..fitz ect

    Because I am with you now...Talib is 100% gone this year to a HUGE deal
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    Why are you ruling out the franchise tag? Sure it's expensive but he's the perfect combo of bad character/position need to use it on.
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    A lot of the young guys have more experience in the system and we now have a shut down corner. Injuries are starting to mount, however.
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    Dennard has a bad ankle
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    Nobody is going to like hearing this but aside from continuity the second biggest reason our defense looks improved is because our offense isn't nearly as good. Opponents are facing much less pressure to score quickly.
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    So the defense is better because teams don't feel like they need to score?

    I'd like to nominate this for dumbest post of the season.
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    Same reason why many of us have been optimistic for a while now; the cupboard had been getting restocked and the team was just lacking experience and continuity. Hopefully the DT injuries won't blow a gaping hole in their successful rebuild.

    So, who do I owe a sig to again? Mcgolby, or something like that?
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    I say Talib is the main reason but I feel Dennard has improved a lot. I think the whole DBs are playing different, not giving the usual 10 yard cushion at the line of scrimmage like in the recent years. I might be wrong but I thought I noticed that.
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    I strongly disagree. If opponents didn't feel the pressure then all of those fourth down attempts against us would look even more silly. I don't remember our defense having to deal with so many fourth down attempts in years even when we don't have the lead.
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    Talib mostly, but also Dennard
    Better tackling/getting to the ball faster
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    Didn't look like it yesterday. Dennard played 62 of 69 snaps and supposedly wasn't targeted once in the game.
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    Tommy Kelly has been our best defensive lineman this season.

    He is giving us the 2 or 3 extra pocket collapses per game that every team always seems to get except us.

    Wonderful pickup, and he and Vince were playing off one another perfectly before they got hurt.
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    The Bengals didn't even throw Dennard's way. Further, he's only an inch shorter than Ty Law was.

    I wasn't ruling it out. It's possible that they franchise him. I just wasn't taking it into account for this post.
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    First and foremost it's that our defensive backs no longer suck.
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    They've been better going back to the Talib trade and emergence of Dennard, which solved the main problems at CB1/2 and allowed DMB to move to FS. Ever since then the only bad performances have been SF and AFCC vs. Baltimore - games where one or both were injured. Other than that, check the game log and you'll see that since the 2nd half of Talib's first appearance against Indy, they've been a top 10 caliber defense.

    Tommy Kelly and a healthy Chandler Jones improved it even more to start this season, but of course Vince's loss is going to hurt.
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    Talib and Dennard.

    With both being good, it pushes McCourty to plug the hole at FS.

    It pushes Arrington inside where he is better (we got a glimpse of Arrington on the outside yesterday and it wasn't pretty)

    QBs have to hold on to the ball a little longer giving our pass rush time to get there.

    If frees up Gregory to support the run (he's having a pretty good year doing this).
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    It's better because it HAS to be.
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    talib island
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    To be fair, Dennard is getting somewhat protected with Talib taking on the big hitters. I like Dennard but I don't think we see a thread like this if Dennard was going one on one with the likes of Green, Jackson, Jones.


    Just on the whole Talib-franchise thing. I'd want to keep him but do people think a tag and trade possibility is there with Talib?
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    He no longer visits us, but can I just point out that Mayoclinic was heavily onto the Talib trade before it happened last year. Inspired.

    He also really liked Armond Armstead. Let's hope he's just as right on him as he was Talib.
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    inside pass rush is much better and not just talib but the #3 and #4 CB's are playing much better

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