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Why is it a bad Idea to Trade Branch???

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  1. Keegs

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    I've seen people get their heads ripped off today for suggesting this. So i'd like to take the brunt of the abuse because i would actually like to hear why.

    I might have missed something but i didn't read anything that said WHY trading Branch is a bad idea. All i read was insults, garbage about how many posts people have, and how stupid it was of an idea.

    why is it so absurd?
    what is wrong with trading branch if he asks for too much money?
    am i missing something?
    Is it because our WR position is so thin right now? (we could trade for WR and pick(s))
    Im not being a wisea$$, i seriously want to know because i didn't think it was that ridiculous. He has made great contributions but if hes gotta go hes gotta go.
    I am not saying we have to do one thing or the other. But if he wants Wayne money and wont settle for less, i'd say nice knowing ya Deion.

    I think some people on here need to tone it down but i respect what most of you have to say as Pats fans. With such strong feelings againist this idea, you must have a good reason. Please fill me in.
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    The reasoning behind not trading him is because there is no reason to do so, other than if his holdout extends into the regular season. If we trade Branch, we lose a cheap #1 WR (sure, a low-tier #1, if you must) and get (probably) a 2nd-round pick, maybe some Day 2's added on or instead a 1st-round pick. If we don't trade Branch, we get a cheap #1 WR for a year, then we can resign him. If he doesn't want to resign, we franchise him and trade him for (probably) a 2nd-round pick, maybe some Day 2's added on or instead a 1st-round pick. There is no reason to trade Branch; he is cheap and still tradeable at the end of the year when his contract runs out if we make him the franchise player. Plus, there's a minute chance we might get Branch to resign with us if we keep him, which is a benefit in itself.
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    Why? Because it's a hell of a lot easier to just come to an agreement with this one player without implicating other teams and other players. I wouldn't this was specifically started by Branch. Agents have a lot of say in the process. I'm sure Branch just wants it to be down and over with more than he wants to get a big pay day. This situation is not nearly as bad as it's made out to be. Just another day of business. It's the media that's making him out to be some greedy, disloyal player who'll do anything he can to get top money. I don't even know why the idea of trading him comes up. Like I just said - this is just another day of business for the Patriots and Branch. Don't get yourself into thinking he's going T.O., Lawyer, or Ty on the Pats.
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    b.c who can we get in return? we need him for this season..hes our SB MVP..Brady's favorite target..big plays in playoffs. he can be amazing anywhere else..he can be a Moss/Smtih small WR with speed and quickness but the way our offense is..hes not going to be a 1400 WR. so since hes here..hes not worth top #1 WR money.
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    You don't need a reason to not trade a guy.

    You need a reason to trade him.

    Nobody gets traded unless there is a driving reason to do so.

    And the fact that a guy missed a minicamp s not a reason to trade him. It is over-reaction.
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    Keegs, shut up already.
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    My personal spin on it is that we're not at that point yet. Quite likely the Pats and Branch's people continue to talk, with both sides understanding he's missed a minicamp, and may or may not be willing to miss training camp time. So as of now, he's a good player in the midst of negotiations, not a malcontent we need to shop post-haste. Of course, if some other team with a brilliant wideout came to us with a trade offer, based on that player being a workaholic who bothers management by asking them to keep the lights on in the practice dome after hours...

    But why would another team want to trade us a guy of equal or greater value, while ours is in the midst of negotiations? They'd have to take the hit on his new status, not us, and in return, they'd be trading someone who we assume to be of equal or greater on-the-field value. Well, what's that guy's contract? The Pats DO still have to pay him.

    In this wide world of football possibilities, I guess it could happen that someone really wants to unload a really good wideout, who happens to have a pretty stingy contract, and who therefore would just be a no-brainer from the Pats POV... Or maybe a team who wants to get rid of such a guy so bad they will eat some of the player's cost. But then, that usually happens for character reasons, and the Pats usually avoid the head cases. The counterexample for this last scenario is Dillon, of course -- the apparent sulky head case who turns out to be a high character guy in a bad environment.

    But barring an aberation, I see this as the time to get the Branch deal done, not to get the "next" branch acclimated to the system.

    Just my 2 cents' worth,

    PFnV
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    Basically they would be trashing the product they want to trade.

    So right off the bat, how do you get anything for a young player with an astonishing post-season record, including a SB MVP, who you've deemed unworthy for a raise and unnecessary to the organization.

    But I know how you feel. When Javonna Walker, fresh out of workouts with Terrell Owens, hired Drew, I told Packer posters the Packers should trade him while they could get something. They called me every name in the book. After that he held out, blew out his knee in the first game, and demanded to be traded or he would retire.
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    re

    Seriously.
  10. Keegs

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    Guys, great answers. I found it interesting and agree with what a lot of you said. Like i said before i didn't know what to do with him, i just don't want to see him get Reggie Wayne Money, thats all. Good answers tho.

    Digger and Maverick i was messin around with you earlier and that was fun.

    But i just gave you two morons a chance to show you have any kind of original thought and your credability just went down the ****ter in my opinion. It'll be a pleasure ignoring your future posts since they probably don't have much more substance than the two i read in this thread. This was ur chance to justify ripping on that guy earliier but instead you just prove you know nothing about the subject. You should have just said that before.

    Not one original thought. Figures.
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    Who came up with this idea. Were they stoned
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  12. Keegs

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    some dude, i dont even know but he got reemed for it. I dont think he specified when we would trade him.\

    the funny part is the guy who said the most and ripped it apart the most coudlnt explain why its a bad idea.
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    Instant answers yes no..why is it good?? Why is it bad??

    CHILL!!!!!!

    It's not as easy as all that...firstly, I don't think the Patriots wish to do that because they don't react and over react like it seems some wish the FO to do. If you want that RE: Ainge and much more obvious Pitino's Celts. Enfing up more like some also ran club..
    This is a winning front office not some dumb team. They want Branch but not at his price..but more importnat than that is he's under contract!!! SO the team trades him and every other player who wants out knows all they have to do is hold out and cause a wave...a VERY BAD norm!! Branch wants his money..and trading him will give him that..sometimes it's the best NOT to react at all and give in to wishes.
    If they could trade Branchand get back what they think is greater value, I think they would trade him..but is that the case?? If it isn't, it won't be done now or in the future unless a lot has changed.
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    #75 Jersey

    Because we need somebody to catch passes???

    Or is that too obvious?
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    Well if other teams are willing to part with high draft picks to get him, just hit him with the franchise tag come next year. We have plenty of time to get value from someone else for him.

    Right now we need him as an experienced WR in our system. He will play this season, even if he sits out of TC for some time.
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    Hey - I got ripped for suggesting that, if the team wasn't planning on re-signing Daniel Graham, they would probably do well to consider trading him.

    And that was a player for which we have considerable depth at the position.... Watson, Thomas, Mills, and a veteran FA if need be... not to mention placing an OL or DT at the position as Belichick does often anyways

    And its also accepted that Graham isn't the best at his position on the team


    So with Branch you're talking about the BEST WR currently on the team - after him you've got a rookie, a 38 yr old 3rd down receiver and Caldwell, who might be a has been that never was.

    So its easy to understand why the suggestion of going into the season with those options at WR wouldn't be taken kindly too

    But try not to take it personally
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    come on moron, you gotta have better bait than that
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    Because you'll get more if you sign him than trade him..plus since he has only a year left on his contract he has full control over where he goes which will make it harder to shop him. Basically he has to agree to a new contract with a team before a trade can be done. That right there will limit the field to under 4 teams...and like they say demand drives prices; and 4 teams is not great demand.
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    If your sick of some of these posts, then don't read them. Move on, but this certainly wasn't needed.

    Where's a mod when you need one?
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    Basically he's taking a BIG gamble...and he could be the loser..Look at the receivers the team had in 01 and won it all...NOT any big big names..Demand will drive the price up and that is ruled by WANT not NUMBERS....
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    Why not give him Reggie Wayne money?
    He is a better WR than Reggie Wayne. Of course Wayne is overpaid because the Colts will overpay anyone who catches passes.
    Wayne here would not produce what Branch does, and Branch in Indy would produce more than Wayne.

    Branch is the best WR we have. If you trade him, then you no longer have your best WR. If we refuse to pay Deion Branch like our best WR, then where do you propose we find a replacement?
    This concept of trading Branch says we should refuse to pay our best WR like he is our best WR, ie that we are better than actually paying market value to a player. Who will you replace him with if you wont pay market value?
    If you think you can get better, you have to pay more than Wayne money, so you wouldn't do that. It sounds like a plan that says its OK to get worse, as long as we can feel good that we didn't pay market value.

    The goal here is winning championships not pounding our chests that the organization is so clever it wont pay market value. Got news for you, the Patriots pay players market value. The ones we let walk or sing with someone else in FA are because someone else overrates them compared to us. Thats why there are 1700 players in the NFL and one team only has 53 of them. Everyone disagrees on the rating and value of almost every player in the league.

    I'm not sure if your anti-Branch stance is because you don't think he is good or because you have this idea that paying market value for a player is somehow a bad thing and the false believe that the Pats dont pay market value.

    Finally, why would you trade Branch and reduce the chances of winning in 2006? We have 9 months to resolve the contract issue. Trading him sounds like an immature move because you find the fact he wants to be paid what he is worth somehow offensive.
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    Andy all good points...VERY well stated!!!!
    It's time to stir up the pot and make a dumb move trade or over pay..the Pats don't do that...in other words to those that want action now..
    CHILL!!! he's under contract...
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    Branch isn't taking any "big gamble." Again, people are overreacting to the holdout, as if he's being disloyal to the team. It's all just part of the process to keep him in a Patriots' uniform. The biggest gamble for the Patriots would be trading him. Everything right now is set up how they want it - under their roof. And just because he's holding out doesn't mean he isn't a team player, and doesn't mean we should be thinking "Oh, we don't need him, circa 2001!"
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    You don't think he's taking a gamble??? Getting a contract NOW insures his payoff...a poor year..an injured year and...do you think that the SAME money would be there??? That is a gamble on his part..a gamble he could lose big time.
    Who isover reacting..I did..I said CHILL!!
    Well if he does hold out..do you think BB will hold up things waiting?? He sits out..and other solutions will be found..that simple. Branch is NOT Seymour nor Brady...and I think he's missing that. And certainly missing the charity golf tournament is NOT helping his PR.
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    Additionally, I think part of the reason this line of questioning has brought such vociferous shout-downs is that it's patently ridiculous and there is just NO WAY the Patriots are going to do it. So suggesting something as drastic as this - which I concede you are NOT doing in this particular thread - seems either chicken-little reactive, hopelessly naive or troll-ish.
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    First off i asked these questions becuase they weren't answered before. 2nd, im not suggesting we do anything. I wanted to hear what you thought and why you got so angry at that poor sob yesterday, thats all.
    btw, it was suggested yesterday he is traded for stallworth andd a 2nd or 3rd so the whole "who is gonna catch the ball" cry goes out the window.

    Once again digger, you prove you know nothing about this. that was your 2nd chance to show why you had such strong feelings against the idea and you strike out again. I'm beginning to get the feeliing that you are the guy on here that just jumps on the bandwagons, kisses a lot of asses, and has no original thoughts. You are afriad you'll get ripped if you type what you think. Either that, or you just don't know too much. I dont know which id bet on.
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    For branch this is all win-win... He had a good season and has been underpaid. If he gets injured during the season he will lose money when he goes unrestricted. He wants, needs and deserves the new contract now. If he hits FA he will be gone because as soon as he's free bait all the other teams will jump into the water to try and sign him.

    Last Year Brnach was the lowest paid WR on the roster, but no one did more than him, and no one had as much pressure and resonsibility than him.

    Right now the pats ar 15 million under...and next year the cap balloons another 8 mil...pay your player!
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    win win???? Sorry you are contradicting yourself...you say win-win and there is NO win if he is injured..and he has't been the healthiest of players.
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    Well once again you choose to show your ignorance by crapping off at the mouth. Anybody on this board knows that I express my opinion without fear of consequences. Even the guys who dont like me know that. The reason I do not answer your threads is because I refuse to address the idiocy you are so begging me to answer. How many times now have you begged for my opinion? I love it when you throw a temper tantrum when I will not give it. So go ahead and keep leavving you bait, I will not waste any more time on your stupidity. Keep begging for this type of attention and you will be president of my fan club in know time. Honestly though, I do thank you for putting so much emphasis on my opinion.
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    I think the only time a trade is a valid idea, is if Branch holds out into the regular season. For some reason, I think he will be there July 28th. He made his statement, but now it's time to go to work. He is still under contract, and doesn't seem the type to not honor his contract.

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