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  1. Bartmac36

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    He says he wants to be paid like a top 5 pick and like he was the first WR taken, and that he will sit out the season if he doesn't get his way. The interesting part of all of this is...doesn't Crabtree realize that if he sits out a year he won't be making not only top 5 money, but first round pick money. If he re-enters the draft next year he will fall right out of the first round and will end up probably a 3rd rounder...same thing happened to Bo Jackson...he sat out a year and went from first overall pick to late round pick...

    That's a LOT of money for Crabtree to be giving up, so I don't see his logic if his whole argument is that he wants more money...It's a good thing the Patriots didn't trade up for him on draft day like the rumors were saying at one point...
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    its his only real leverage. It likely hurts him but it hurts the team too as the 49ers wouldn't get the pick back. he has no other option...either he signs or he waits and re-enters.
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    He's complaining because he wants more money. I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

    He won't sit out for a year, that's just a bluff by his agent. It's obvious that it's a stupid decision.
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    He is not getting screwed. Not the 49ers fault other teams didn't rate him higher. Not the 49ers fault he had an injury. He is replaceable. Every player in the league will eventually be replaced.

    Sign the deal Crabtree. No one is going to cry about his millions whether he's smart enough to take them, or stupid enough to leave them. GO ahead - wait for the draft next year... when you're taken with and early 3rd rounder, you think the guarantees will be higher ?
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    It's tough for both sides. If Brady was picked #1 overall because Belichick saw something others didn't see, how much do you think Brady should be paid? As #1 overall or as a 6th rounder where he was projected by most analysts and teams
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    As #1 - the teams know that as soon as they "reach" they'll need to ante up. It has nothing to do with "perceived value". It's all about "slotted value". Hopefully a new deal gets done, and rookie contracts are addressed. The draft was supposed to help out the losers - not hamstring them with big contracts.

    Crabtree is #10. He should (and will, if he's smart) get paid as such. Otherwise, SF should say good riddance and if another franchise is stupid enough to trade for him...
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    I understand it's about slotted value but I read somewhere that the 49er's are kinda low-balling what 10th round pick should make. I also heard that Crabtree wants to sign but it's his agent who isn't budging.

    That being said - he isn't going to sit out this year. It's retarded. As I said before, that's a bluff by his agent in an attempt to make him more money.
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    True but if it were any of the other 31 Teams at the raiders slot, Crab would have been picked. Coulda woulda, the 49'ers need to pay him as a #8 or a little less than Bey. They need him
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    Again, the rookie salary cap pretty much prevents the Niners from trading him, period (since the new team would have to sign him with their existing cap space).

    In any case, maybe it's mounting gloom from realizing that he'll only be the second best WR from TT in the NFL right now. :D
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    No they don't. the team is holding all the cards in this situation. What are his options, a) sit out for the year and hope to recoup it next year?/ Not likely.
    His best bet is to sign a contract which will be slotted between #9 and #11 but try to get lots of incentives in there so that if he is as good as he thinks he is and can play like it, he can make the money he thinks he should. In that case, the 49ers would be paying for production and it's a win-win for all parties.
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    They hold most but not all the cards. It is highly improbable be sits out but if he does, they lose their pick. If he feels he is forced to sign then they have a disgruntled player.
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    If he's stupid enough to sit out the season, he'll lose millions that he'll never get back.

    San Francisco should offer Parker a 'ceiling' number and start lowering that ceiling by about 100 grand every day.
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    Roddy White just signed for 6 years, $50 million, with $18.6 guaranteed and $28 million in the first 3 years.


    Crabtree needs to drink a nice, cool glass of shut the hell up.
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    I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

    The Raiders didn't chose him, so it's irrelevant. Also, would he be better off on the Raiders?

    I'd much rather play for a team on the rise with a good atmosphere than for a stupid organization like the Raiders. If he's not worth the big money to the 49ers then he's not getting screwed, they're his only option or his can scratch his butt for the next year and see where it gets him.
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    I'm with you 100%.

    Every day a rookie misses training camp, it's that much less that he will be effective that season. Teams end up paying a player for what ends up to be a wasted season when they hold out. I would love to see a team counter with stats about how ineffective players were in their rookie season when they held out, as a reason why they decided to withdraw a contract and now offer less money.
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    No person who is going to make more money than 99.99999% of the people who have lived on this planet can be characterized as "getting screwed" because he isn't making more.
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    Its becoming more common these days for guys to hold out and try to get as much as they can out of deals. This year is pretty bad that way.
    As far as this particular one is concerned, its stupidity on both sides. Firstly you shouldn't be drafting a player if you are not prepared to ante up, just trade down to a level where you know you can pay a guy what he will be looking for and its not like there were no teams looking to trade up either.
    Its stupid for Crabtree because not only will he lose money but also because he will have shown himself to be troublesome when he doesn't get his way. It would take years to get your rep back.
    I can understand how he would be pissed with Heyward-Bey's contract being a rofl
    He is not the only one thats not signed though which is the problem, there are holdouts all over the place waiting to see what transpires in San Fran.
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    whatever happens to the niner's pick? I mean what type of compensation they get? 1st round material?
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    They get zip.

    Think back to Bo Jackson when he said no to Tampa Bay about 15 years ago.
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    It's not irrelevant. All the picks around the Raiders are having contract problems because the Raiders signed DHB to such a high contract. Every pick is slightly lower than the last. How much DHB got a 7 effects how much the 8th pick will get which will effect how much the 9th pick will get and so on.

    Perhaps I should have chose my words a little bit more carefully.
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    They get nothing but the regret of drafting him. BTW this is exactly the reason most teams didn't want anything to do with him on draft day. He is considered to be on the dumb side and has one of his dipsh*t cousins or uncles running the show.
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    23 years ago(1986 draft) ;)
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    Well part of the problem is the agent wanting to make a big splash witha top ten client so he cna cement himself as a top agent and continual get top ten prospects and huge paydays.

    Crabtree may also be a greedy SOB too. Lets not forget while alot of NFL players cna be prima donna's...WR's are famous for fitting that bill and shocking he's a WR.

    But if he decides to hold out a year all I can say is Mike Williams...look what happened to him. Granted it was a court ruling vs a hold out here but we saw what not playing football for a year sititng on your butt does to your draft stock as well as potential for making the league.
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    Is that really so clear? Crabtree was a consensus top-3 talent...until teams started meeting him. They concluded that he was a diva with a problem attitude and looked elsewhere -- and now he's proving them right. Another team might have traded down rather than drafting DHB, but they could well have passed on Crabtree just like the Raiders did.

    It's not just about "talent." He made this bed, he has to lie in it. The league isn't going to double the Niners' rookie cap just because their pick thinks he deserves more.
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    Yeah, it is in the nature of being a self centered jerk to not be able to comprehend that others' are turned off by you. These guys generate a remarkable wall of self-denial and false bravado, and if/when it gets penetrated, they are in serious psychological trouble. We shouldn't expect him to understand much of what is going on outside his own head.

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    It's not irrelevant. All the picks around the Raiders are having contract problems because the Raiders signed DHB to such a high contract. Every pick is slightly lower than the last. How much DHB got a 7 effects how much the 8th pick will get which will effect how much the 9th pick will get and so on.

    1) If DHB did get a lot more than normal that means the bar has been raised, which would benefit Crabtree

    2) Crabtree wants MORE than what DHB got.

    He was not the 7th pick, too F'in bad. The way he's acting he's taking his stock lower and lower, he looks like a combo of Favre and TO on steroids, forget locker room cancer, he looks like locker room Ebola.

    I'd LOVE to see the 49ers trade his rights or just let him sit on his behind for the year.
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    Eh, I think locker room syphilis works better as a comparison. . . . eventually, you go crazy, but even then, it's fixable. :)

    As I pointed out above, they can let him sit, but it's basically too late to trade him because of that same rookie salary cap that limits how much SF can pay him.
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    I was watching the Niners/Broncos game for a while last night and the SF broadcasting team were talking about it like the team and Mike Singeltary were more at fault. :confused:

    As has been said, the Niners don't hold all the cards, but they hold most of them. You never want to "lose" a first-rounder... but other than that, Crabtree doesn't have much on his side with this unbelievably stupid argument. Holding out for a whole season and re-entering the draft is never a good idea, and he really screwed up by going straight to that threat IMHO.
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    Probably there is more than just money involved here. Singletary is the ultimate hard-ass, no B.S. coach--the complete opposite of who Crabtree played for at Texas Tech. It wouldn't surprise me if Singletary and Crabtree failed to see eye-to-eye from the outset, and this has partly resulted in the posturing over money from both sides.

    On the other hand, Crabtree's foot injury (always problematic) prevented him from running at the combine. (I forget whether he ran the 40 at his Pro Day or not). It's entirely possible that the 49ers weren't exactly wowed by Crabtree's pre-camp workouts and are simply making a sound business decision in not throwing extra millions at him.
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    If there was a problem with the rookie salary cap of a team interested in trading for Crabtree, could they deal with SF, and get them to sign him to what they will offer, and then trade for him??
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