Why I defend the Colts

Discussion in 'PatsFans.com - Patriots Fan Forum' started by Miguel, Mar 4, 2007.

  1. Miguel

    Miguel Patriots Salary Cap Guru PatsFans.com Supporter

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    Someone asked me in a PM:
    "Not sure WHY you do it, but you seem to go out of your way to defend the Colts spending habits. And, no, it doesn't come across as you correcting the person, it comes across as you defending the Colts."

    I figured that I shared my response since I have been called on this board by my fellow Patriots fans a Colts troll.

    My response was
    "I am not a homer. I do not drink the kool-aid that says that the Pats have the only way of operating in the salary cap system. I have thought for a long time that Manning is a Hall of Fame quarterback and as such I always doubted that he would not win a Super Bowl."
  2. Kdo5

    Kdo5 Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Ok....cool I guess. :confused:
  3. BradyManny

    BradyManny Pro Bowl Player

    I think we can respect that.

    I gotta say, though, it's definitely more fun being a homer. Try hating Peyton Manning sometime. It's a good, wholesome time.
  4. PatsWickedPissah

    PatsWickedPissah PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

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    OK Miguel, just as long as your next move isn't into the Political Forum to praise Osama Bin Laden.

    Seriously, I think that the Colts do run a fine football organization. I may not like what I see of Polian personally but that crew has built a team that contends every year. That's what the menagement is supposed to do it's up to the players and the vagaries of a spining ball to resolve the final detail. As to Manning, the guy works just as hard as Brady studying the game and working out to win. He's not a talented slacker like Bledsoe. But I still hate him.
  5. Ghost of Ben Dreith

    Ghost of Ben Dreith Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Hmmmm.....let's look at this a bit closer....

    Miguel.......Manning Is Great Under Every Liability.....interesting. Coincidence...I think not. :eek:

    Also...just a question, not insinuating anything....but....has any poster ever seen Miguel and Borges in the same location at the same time? :eek:

    Things just get curiouser and curiouser....This will require futher research.
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  6. spacecrime

    spacecrime Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    There is no doubt Manning is a Hall of Fame QB, but that doesn't answer the question.

    Sorry if I seem to beat up on you at times (beat up is the wrong word, as you more than hold your own).

    It is actually good to have some independent analysts here, and it keeps us Pats fans thinking. But since this is a Pats fans board, you have to expect to be holding a mionority opinion. Most of us are not here to openly and objectively root for the best team in the league. We are here because we root for the Pats, win or lose.

    BTW, the use of "homer" and "kool-aid" are pretty charged words, with negative import to fans, something like calling you a troll. Neither is correct or polite.

    Fans root for their team. You may see it as drinking Kool-Aid, fans of the Pats think that with BB/SP's track record they may know a little more than we do, that while we can debate Curtis vs Welker on a stats and general performace basis, BB/SP are looking at what kind of a fit he is for the team with resokurces we couldn't dream of.

    No one says they are infallible. Both had made errors of ommission and commisson. But far and away, we fans think that the job they've done is superior to anything yet seen with the Patriots and even perhaps the league. Certainly the current league. And that extends to the way they handle the cap.

    But I'm not sure that we are critiquing the Colts only because they are the Colts. I think that if we did not have the $$$ to sign the FAs we wanted to keep and that we had a huge deferred charge account facing us, that we wouldn't be seriously discussing it. It is one thing to let players go when their $$$ do not equal their current value, it is quite another thing not to be able to get players needed/wanted becasue of the cap situation.

    When BB first came here, supposedly he wanted to sign Priest Holmes but couldn't because of the Pats situation. That, to me, is an indication of poor cap management, of mortgaging the future too much. That is where I see teh Colts right now.

    The Colts might be okay this year, though I suspect they may have issues on defense enless they draft extremely well. Next year will be wore, IMO.

    Time will tell.
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  7. kolbitr

    kolbitr Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    A bit anticlimactic, I have to say. Not really much of a Credo. Except for the last article of faith (about Manning and the Super Bowl), there are many people on this board who would have agreed with each of those statements, say two months, six months, twelve months ago. Not all fans are homers. Many here are critics, but are not Borgesque about it. Only a handful of people such as yourself understand the financial matters and ramifications (I don't pretend to), but have their own faith in the general concepts that the front office seems (note italics) to espouse. And who doubted that Manning was anything but a Hall-of-Famer? If people drink Kool Aid, it's because it tastes good--the only "poison" is the sugar, which sometimes leads to fan-atical hyperactivity. But most of us drink juice and milk, too.

    However, I have to say that I do chuckle at your phrasing, Miguel, and at the image of Archie sitting his sons down for a rousing pep talk, say, last offseason: 'I believe in you, my boy. I doubt those who say you are a choker in the playoffs. I doubt that you will not win a championship. Not sure if I believe you will win one, but I wholeheartedly doubt that you will not.'

    'Thanks Dad. That really means a lot to me.'

    'What about me, Daddy?'

    'Uh, I'll get to you in a moment, Eli.'


    Edit: beaten to similar thoughts by mr. spacecrime!
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  8. patsfaninpa

    patsfaninpa In the Starting Line-Up

    In the last 5 yrs. The Colts have won 60 reg. season games. 4 div. titles and now a Super Bowl. They've beaten us 3 games in a row. They don't need anyone to defend their position? The proof is in the pudding as they say.
    Are they successful? Yes. Have they been as good as the Pats? No. But, 2nd out of 32 teams doesn't have to be defended.
  9. Return of the Nizz

    Return of the Nizz Practice Squad Player

    Why I defend Miguel

    He does a ton of work on the cap, is out there trying to feed the hungry, and gives a welcomly divergent viewpoint on a hated opponent.
  10. PATSNUTme

    PATSNUTme Paranoid Homer Moderator Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    You are a homer! Stop being in denial about it. There's nothing wrong with being a homer.

    Just because you are misguided in your defense of the Colts doesn't make you a non-homer. You have season tickets. You are a total Patiots fan. You give the team and it's management the benefit of the doubt. You don't nit pick, second guess every move, and whine when the least little thing goes wrong..

    You are a homer and be proud of it! Say it! It will feel good.
  11. PatsFanInVa

    PatsFanInVa PatsFans.com Supporter PatsFans.com Supporter

    I want to add that I see it as inane to question the "loyalty" of a man who obviously spends a great deal of time making available Patriots cap info to Pats fans. Why would he do this, other than his own loyalty?

    I came to patsfans.com because I stumbled on Miguel's page first, and I'm sure other people here did as well. For me, both are parts of following the offseason, making the NFL a year-round sport.

    I don't know Miguel, but it looks to me like he takes great pains to preserve objectivity to present information without bias, and to avoid speculation such as we all love to engage in.

    If your best objective assessment happens to run afoul of deeply-help but (to your mind) erroneous beliefs, you're a coward not to go with your real assessment.

    Way too many words, I know. Still working on those not-likely-to-be-read incentives

  12. PatsMyBoyz!

    PatsMyBoyz! Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Far from being trollish,I see most of your analyses as simply being more objective than most of ours(definitely mine anyway). You're an exceptional capologist and when looking at the Colts purely from that standpoint there's no debating they are among the better-run organizations.
    JMO but I applaud anybody who can be objective about them cuz I can't. I pretty much hate them but admmittedly a lot of that's due to their constant involvement with the Pats.If they were in the NFC or somewhere more removed from us,I'm not sure I'd feel the same way or at least to the same degree I do now.
    Being as objective as I can be:cool: ,I have no doubt Manning will be in the HOF,he's got the stats to prove it,and certainly nobody can argue his work ethic.
    It's good for the board to have a cold shot of some objectivity every now and again. Meanwhile color me a hater-it's a flaw. Sometimes it's fun,too :singing:
  13. Miguel

    Miguel Patriots Salary Cap Guru PatsFans.com Supporter

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    LOL. I feel obligated to point that I have posted several times that Borges needs a fact-checker and that I am better-looking than Borges:)
  14. MrBigglesWorth

    MrBigglesWorth Veteran Starter w/Big Long Term Deal

    admit it Miguel, you own stock in a sausage factory and every time manning says cut that mean you earn dividends
  15. kolbitr

    kolbitr Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    Hah...Borges needs a fact-checker and a falsehood-checker.
  16. Miguel

    Miguel Patriots Salary Cap Guru PatsFans.com Supporter

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    For the record I do not see rooting for the Patriots as drinking Kool-aid. I had defined drinking the kool-aid as saying that the Pats have the only way of operating in the salary cap system.
  17. PatsMyBoyz!

    PatsMyBoyz! Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

    Visual of Borges working the cap numbers....:rofl:
  18. pats1

    pats1 Moderator PatsFans.com Supporter

    "Why does Miguel defend the Colts?"

    That's a deep philosophical question even the greatest philosophers will ponder for centuries.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2007
  19. PatsFan37

    PatsFan37 2nd Team Getting Their First Start

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    Miguel, you're as entitled to your opinions as anyone here, and you're more entitled to express them in this place where you contribute so much.

    If people don't like what you say, too bad for them.
  20. khayos

    khayos In the Starting Line-Up

    Anyone who challenges Miguel on his loyalty needs to have their head examined, or their balls kicked, or both.

    What I see from Miguel is simply pointing out the facts. As much as it is a punch in the nuts, the Colts did win the Super Bowl. We can hate them as much as we want but to completely deny the fact that they did is just plain stupid. Be fans of football here -- we need opponents who are good to have the classic games that we know and love.

    We all hope the Satan Manning Glue Factory goes down in flames this year, but they had to have done something right.
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