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Why have so many U.S. attorneys been fired lately?

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/26/opinion/26mon4.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

    Why Have So Many U.S. Attorneys Been Fired? It Looks a Lot Like Politics

    By ADAM COHEN
    Published: February 26, 2007

    Carol Lam, the former United States attorney for San Diego, is smart and tireless and was very good at her job. Her investigation of Representative Randy Cunningham resulted in a guilty plea for taking more than $2 million in bribes from defense contractors and a sentence of more than eight years. Two weeks ago, she indicted Kyle Dustin Foggo, the former No. 3 official in the C.I.A. The defense-contracting scandal she pursued so vigorously could yet drag in other politicians.

    In many Justice Departments, her record would have won her awards, and perhaps a promotion to a top post in Washington. In the Bush Justice Department, it got her fired.

    Ms. Lam is one of at least seven United States attorneys fired recently under questionable circumstances. The Justice Department is claiming that Ms. Lam and other well-regarded prosecutors like John McKay of Seattle, David Iglesias of New Mexico, Daniel Bogden of Nevada and Paul Charlton of Arizona — who all received strong job evaluations — performed inadequately.

    It is hard to call what’s happening anything other than a political purge. And it’s another shameful example of how in the Bush administration, everything — from rebuilding a hurricane-ravaged city to allocating homeland security dollars to invading Iraq — is sacrificed to partisan politics and winning elections.

    U.S. attorneys have enormous power. Their decision to investigate or indict can bankrupt a business or destroy a life. They must be, and long have been, insulated from political pressures. Although appointed by the president, once in office they are almost never asked to leave until a new president is elected. The Congressional Research Service has confirmed how unprecedented these firings are. It found that of 486 U.S. attorneys confirmed since 1981, perhaps no more than three were forced out in similar ways — three in 25 years, compared with seven in recent months.

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    No Sh!t :confused:
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    What's your point?
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    Maybe Tony Soprano is a Republican??


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    A complete travesty. Carol Lam was fired for exposing corruption and doing a too good job at it. This administration = worst in history.
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    Every administration does this Clinton fired all but 1 when he came in, the guy he didn't fire (chertoff) was a reault of a direct request from Bill Bradley.
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    did you read the f&cking story? if you did, the point is beyond obvious...

    further, why do you have to lie about Clinton, when the story clearly says only 3 have been fired in this fashion since 1981?
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    patsfans, you lost a lot of credibility with me with that post. did you even read the article?
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    What lie? Clinton fired every US attorney except 1 when he came into office. Are you disputing that historical fact???
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    Clinton did fire every UA Attorney upon entering office.:

    http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZmMzQ5Zjg4ZGI1OTgxODA1OWM5YzFjYTRmYTlhNzk=

    If any investigation had been tampered with there might be a point but to cite an example a crook like Cunningham (a disgraced ex pow now) got a much heavier sentence than most crooks (like Murtha who cut a deal).

    If you read the article I posted you will see that the previous administration did the same sort of recess appt without senate hearing without the process being authorized in a law.
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    UNBELIEVABLE.... read it again... especially this part:

    Although appointed by the president, once in office they are almost never asked to leave until a new president is elected. The Congressional Research Service has confirmed how unprecedented these firings are. It found that of 486 U.S. attorneys confirmed since 1981, perhaps no more than three were forced out in similar ways — three in 25 years, compared with seven in recent months.

    stop me if i'm wrong, but Clinton was a new president when he let those guys go...
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    What's so "unbelievable"?? New pres, old pres -- what's the diff??


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    The law has been updated to allow the attorneys to be replaced like other executive positions this wasn't the case in previous administrations.
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    From the NY Times. The Leading Leftist Bomb throwing liberal rag. If they print it about Bush we should all bow down to their Leftist Liberal Superior Intellect. For it is the truth and no one else knows anything.
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    Ok, so we all agree they were fired for politically motivated reasons. Some of us also pointed out that all US attorneys have been fired for political reasons by other presidents as well.

    The question I have, then, is why did the GOP allow the independant counsel statute expire after they finished the Clinton investigation?
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    IIRC that was a bi partisan concencus while the prior administration was in office.
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    I don't remember anything terribly bi-partisan about it. The GOP controlled the House and the old statute had a sunset provision. They just let it lapse.
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    After the issues the dems had with the IC who investigated they had no interest in renewing the act, their friends in the press thought this was a good idea. Remember the dems thought Algore was a lock to succeed Clinton. After all Bush who figured to be the pubbie niminee was considered a bumbler politically by the dems (misunderestimated him).

    If you have anystatements from dems requesting the renewal if the IC statute I'd love to see it.

    BTW I agree that executive branch appointments are and IMO have always been political, Spoils of war and all that.;)
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    Clearly politics here. The thing is, were these lawyers initially appointed by the Bush Administration, or were they hold overs from Clinton? If they were hold overs, then I guess it might shed some light as to why they were canned. Of course, I still don't like it. If they were all doing their jobs, and in Ham's case, sending crooked pols to jail (horray for her, seriously), then their being let go is clearly political BS.
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    Nevermind the silverware, they stole all the [W]'s from all of the keyboards in the White House. Can't say Dem staffers don't have a sense of humor.
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    This administration has been one of the most dishonest and manipulative in history. They've lied about intelligence, covered up information, handed out lucrative contracts to the well-connected, and have fully politicized the Justice Department. Those who defend the methods of this administration are simply Republican hacks, and I doubt if a video showing Bush taking money from the Fed Reserve and putting it in his pocket would make them see the light. The good news this precedent will allow the next President to reverse the course. The bad news is, it is doing a lot of damage to the Justice Dept and it may be more difficult to recruit qualified people if they feel they must be political flunkies.
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    If you posted the above words in 1996, 1990, 1986, 1978, 1972, etc.... most would think it applied.
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    Of course, that doesn't mean they aren't warranted.
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    Hey, maybe all these dudes and dudettes who got fired were simply incompetent bobble heads. Wouldn't be the first time a nitwit got hired when they should have stayed home and polished apples.

    Anybody every think of that??


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    That might be it in some cases, but some of the specific examples, like Carol Lam, and the indictments and pleas she got, make it seem like her competency wasn't the issue and that she was fired for who she went after.
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    From what I've read they all had excellent records. Anyone who puts a congressman in jail for 8 years HAS to be a good prosecuter, and certainly gets the benefit of the doubt in my book.
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    That's what I got from it. I googled the news to get some different source articles, and came accross with the same conclusions. Maybe they didn't like who she was going after. It's why I asked who appointed her in the first place. Without knowing more, it's hard for me to say specifically what the deal was. On the surface, it looks like they got canned for political reasons. Is that SOP when it comes to these people? I saw the times article said it's only happened a few times out of 400+ during an administration, but is very common at the start of one. I need more info to say for sure, but it looks entirely political. Common sense would lead you to believe they were putting to many Administration friendly's in jail. Again though, that's an assumption.
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    It's disgusting how far they'll go to protect their own (all politicians). Looks like Bill's pardons are gonna haunt Hillary on the campaign trail.

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