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    I'm honestly not sure.

    I'm not saying he's not worthy, just that I definitely had Rogers higher on my list than Gutierrez.

    FWIW, though, Gutierrez was actually out on ST on Thursday. . . .

    Any thoughts?
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    I guess anyone else they'd have kept wouldn't have contributed much anyways.
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    Maybe they think Rogers will have an easier time getting to the practice squad. They both looked good in the preseason games but a QB who plays with poise as a rookie might have more value than an OLB. Plus, the Pats do have a track record with late round QBs. ;)
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    Probably because they feared another team would grab him before he got to the PS, whereas they have no fear of that scenario with "Speed Dial Vinny".
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    Obviously, the coaches liked what they saw. And Cassel is a trade candidate for this off-season.
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    IMO they plan on trading Cassel next offseason, and want to groom the next backup. if you watch some of these preseason games, Gutierrez actually looked better than half the Qbs out there. He was a Michigan QB, had some experience slinging the ball in college, and he would probably have been picked up by another team had he been cut. Scott knows when someone is wanted elsewhere, through his own contacts around the league and the player's agent. Rogers didn't show enough to attract interest elsewhere. He's not an NFL DE, and he's a project at OLB. He'll make it to the practice squad along with the other 2nd day picks.
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    My voye is with this scenari. The final 53 is likely to change a little by da Jets game.
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    That's what I was thinking. They wanted to protect Gutierrez at least for the time being and can bring back Vinny anytime. This also gets me thinking, though, that perhaps the wisdom of Vinny's input on the sidelines isn't considered all that valuable.
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    My guesses:

    - This is the perfect time for them to add a young developmental QB. Cassel is 100% out the door after 2008, it would be terrific to have another cheap young QB with 2 years in the system waiting behind him.

    - A dirt-cheap QB with potential is a thing not to be taken lightly. If you think a Gutierrez is easy to come by, compare him to Corey Bramlet.

    - And maybe what it comes down to is that, given a QB and LB of equal promise, a QB is wayyyy more valuable.
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    Blasphemy!

    :p
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    I'm very surprised that they cut Rogers given that he was higher on your list than Gutierrez.
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    Seriously, though, we already knew that; if his advice were that valuable, why did BB start 2006 with just two QBs?
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    Your sarcasm is much appreciated, since I think I implied in the OP that I wasn't calling their decision a mistake.
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    I don't think it was ever going to be Gutierrez or Rogers. It was either Gutierrez or Vinny. I doubt the Pats would have gone into the season again with only 2 QBs. That was a hot trend in the NFL for about 2 minutes. Now most teams carry three QBs again.
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    Following that trend didn't hurt us much last year. In fact it was a great move.

    I think Vinny was an automatic cut. He isn't going anywhere. Nor is he likely to improve with much practice time.
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    ummm im going to go out on a limb here and say....... maybe........so he can be one of our quarterbacks?
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    I don't think the extra roster spot helped or hurt us, but if Brady went down for a long period of time it could.

    The fact of the matter is with or without Guttierez, we could have kept Rogers on the roster. Obviously, Belichick felt he was better off risking him to go to the PS and let him develop for a year.
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    Probably cause BB does not have tons of faith in Cassell's ability should Brady go down,He needs another alternative if Cassell goes in and sucks.

    Personally I would rather see Guiterrez give it a try than Cassell,I am just not high up on Matt and nothing I have seen in preseason from matt makes me any more confident he is the right guy at #2.
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    That goes for keeping him and the chance of losing him trying to get him to the practice squad. He won't compete this year with Cassel but the chance of losing him and the consequence if he were lost is just higher than that of others.
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    If Brady went down he would NOT put Gutierrez in over Cassel. That would be just crazy.

    I don't see how people can have that strong an opinion fo Cassel. We have seen so little of him but overall I have been very happy with what I've seen. He hasn't been all world aor anything. I honestly don't know what people expect to see out of a back-up QB who hasn't started a game since high school. :confused:

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    I think it comes down to the fact that the team wanted to carry three quarterbacks and they knew they could cut Vinny without another team picking him up but that was not the case with Gutierrez.
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    So which of our two backups is "Matt" and which is "matt"? :)

    Personally, I don't know quite what to think of Cassel at this point. He seems to press a bit when he's in there, but the longer he's in the game the better he generally gets. I suspect he might be a pleasant surprise if (heaven forbid) he knew in advance that he had to start a game and were able to practice as the #1 for the week. And given what we've seen from other teams' backups, I don't consider the position a weakness.

    Idle question: has any team ever fielded 3 QBs, none of whom was drafted before the 6th round?
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    1998 Washington Redskins, who fielded Gus Frerotte (7th round), Trent Green (8th round), and two undrafted rookies.

    1996 Chicago Bears, who fielded Erik Kramer (undrafted), Shane Matthews (undrafted), and Dave Krieg (undrafted), in addition to Steve Stenstrom (4th round).

    There are probably many more.
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    Can't believe I didn't think of this team:

    1994-1996 Minnesota Vikings: Brad Johnson (9th round), Warren Moon (undrafted), Jay Walker (7th round), Sean Salisbury (undrafted),
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    Why does everyone assume Cassell will be gone after 2008? I don't see a team giving up a high draft pick for him at this point and resigning him would not cost a lot in cap space. I'd like to have a guy who's been in the system a number of years as a backup.
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    I just assume that if Cassel has any fire in him whatsoever he'll make a beeline for a team where he has a chance to compete for playing time. This is what, his 7th straight year as a football player who never gets to play football? It would be bizarre for him to choose to stay if he had other options.
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    Nicely done! I knew there had to be examples, I'm impressed you were able to call them to mind.

    That execrable '96 Bears lineup reminds you what an extraordinary streak of lousy QBs they've had.
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    Don't be offended, ct. It was just too good a chuckle for him to pass up.

    Gut making the 53 is perhaps the best news that yesterday provided.
    (Not a high hurdle, i grant.)
    It means to me that BB thinks he is good enough that some other club might have snatched him
    - in violation of the theory i subscribe to that backend QBs cut at the final
    don't lure any takers.
    So ... Coach thinks this chap falls outside those ordinary parameters.
    That is ... Matt's GOOD.
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    ClapClapClap, unoriginal !

    Very impressive recall ... especially in the wee hours (1:30 a.m.)
    ... and only 16 minutes after your fellow insomniac posed the question.
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    Good analysis. I think you have it exactly.

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