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  1. khayos

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    The DoD developed the ARPANET which was the start of today's internet and kicked off the space race during WW2. What other great achievements has government spending achieved that were not linked directly to Defense spending? And why do liberals hate it so much?
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    Because they are "pacifist cowering screwballs" they can't get it through their heads that we are Hated by an enemy than would like nothing better than to kill everybody in this country.

    They can be pretty vicious when it comes to getting their own way though, if you oppose them they will try to destroy you in the blink of an eye.

    LIBERALS TRAVEL A ONE WAY STREET

    IF YOUR ENEMY MAKES GUNS THAN YOU BETTER DAMN WELL MAKE GUNS TOO.

    LITTLE ISREAL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE.
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    Military Spending for the United States: 711 Billion Dollars.

    That is 41% of the world's share of military spending.

    #2 in the world is China at 143 Billion.
    #3 in the world is Russia at 62.5 Billion.

    Now, imagine instead of spending 711 billion in military and having 41% of the world share, it was 400 billion dollars a year, and say 25% of the world's military?

    HOW WILL WE FUNCTION WITH SUCH A SMALL MILITARY?!?!
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    Many people, however you care to label them, think we spend far too much money on our military -- not just libruls. Our military is often used for things that are a stretch to consider "defense."

    Many folks on the right like to cherrypick the Founding Fathers' beliefs (or so-called beliefs) when it's convenient for them. Do you think the Founding Fathers would be happy with the size, scope or cost of our military and its uses?
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    Hey, I'm in favor of closing foreign bases & wars and put part of that into become a smarter and more precise military. My curiousity is with those who want to increase government spending but cut defense... seems illogical.
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    Ecommerce to reach $300 billion by 2015 -- thanks to the military.

    Forrester Research : Research : US Online Retail Forecast, 2010 To 2015
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    agreed


    I don't think it's necessarily illogical, though you and I both would disagree with the approach.

    There's no reason a person can't think we spend too much on defense but not enough on other things -- really, the only issue you or I would have with that line of thinking has nothing to do with defense, since we both would agree with such a person that military spending should be cut.
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    That is more than double what it was pre 9/11. We spend a lot of money defending europe, they need to start defending themselves. They put the money they don't spend on defense towards infrastucture for example. We could probably make the US a air tight fortress for the fraction of the cost of the way we're handling the war on terror.
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    The short answer is: they don't. They do, however, object to the Republican idea that we should restore fiscal balance by simply cutting entitlements and pro-poor social programs while continuing to ramp up defense spending, while at the same time cutting taxes for the very wealthy.

    Call it a different set of priorities.
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    #12 Jersey

    In other words, it's not just liberals who oppose defense spending.

    Thank you for that clarification.
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    You and others keep throwing around the term liberal when what you and others mean is pacifists, those only exist at the far end of the spectrum. The vast majority of Dems aren't pacifists, just like the vast majority of pubs aren't cons. This amount of defense spending is one of the main reasons we have such a large amount of nation debt.If we cut defense spending back to around the percentage it was pre 9/11 we could pay the deficit off pretty quickly. Its really dragging the country down.
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    Realistically the war profiteers have done and continue to do well in this economy, cost overruns and fraud are acceptable in that venue.

    Did you ever think about how many companies exist solely on defense contracts, i.e. government money only.. then take that money to lobby for more?? It makes no sense they way things operate..

    Jefferson and other founding fathers argued against a standing army in times of peace... and now do we not only have standing armies, we have private armies that politicians can use to skirt the constitution...

    There are 700+ miltary bases overseas; 287 in Germany, 130 in Japan and 87 in Italy.. that is a lot of logistical costs to keep supplied and functional..

    Consider that we have just left Iraq, where is the Peace Dividend???

    How much we actually spend..

    Our DOD Base Budget is 530.5 525.4 Widely reported by the press as the "base" DOD budget, and our Overseas Contingency Operations 115.1 88.5, add to that DOE/Nuclear (Total) 18.5 19.4, International Affairs (Total) 61.3 69.8 Includes $8.2 billion in OCO for Budget Function 150. The OCO grand total is $96.7 billion.

    Veterans Affairs (Total) 124.6 137.7 This spending encompasses the effects of past and current wars; spending for veterans of the last ten years will be increasing dramatically in coming years.

    Homeland Security (Total) 46.0 46.3 Includes HS spending in DHS and all federal agencies not shown on this summary.

    Subtotal of the Above 928.7 930.6 Total Federal Spending is $3.8 trillion in outlays in 2012 and 2013.
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    WHOOOOSH

    I support decreased spending so I'm okay with defense cuts.

    Liberals support increased government spending -- why do they support defense cuts?
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    So you're a pacifist? It seems pretty clear you don't like defense spending.
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    Isn't defense spending at its highest level in the history of the planet?

    let me check....

    YES...yes it is!



    Roger Ailes called...he wants his loaded question back.
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    Liberals, generally speaking, aren't opposed to defense spending. They're opposed to the massive amount we currently spend. I think most americans are.

    China spends $143 billion on defense. How much interest do we send them each year?
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    #12 Jersey

    You don't support defense cuts?

    I thought you just said you did support closing foreign bases & wars and putting part of that into become a smarter and more precise military - wouldn't that include not spending the other "part of it?"

    Wouldn't "not spending" be "cutting?"
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    And so it seems you need to take a course in reading and comprehension ...again
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    Your asking him? he doesn't know if he brushed his teeth this morning.
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    What is interesting this election cycle is the pandering by the likes of Ryan, Crybaby and Willard who all claim to want to restore the defense cuts....

    While every municipality and state needs to get creative with their finances, we continue to want to reward the war profiteers... where is the peace dividend???

    387 bases in Germany, 130 in Japan...

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