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  1. Patters

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    Of course, there are many different reasons why one joins or doesn't join. Some are old enough to have been drafted, some could not join for medical reasons, while others joined to the fight the enemy or were pacifists.

    I did not join the military for a number of reasons. The Vietnam War made it look horrible, and very few parents wanted their kids to get involved. After all, when I was old enough to join, more than 60,000 Americans had recently died. Up until Vietnam, the liberals and conservatives pretty much agreed on military issues. But, Vietnam really polarized the country even worse than today. When I was a kid, joining the military was the same as making a right-wing statement. I never considered joining for that reason.
     
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    I didn't, it just wasn't what I grew up expecting to do. I am in the majority of kids who grew up to meet the expectations that were generally assumed for him - and that meant going straight to college and getting a job in a technical/engineering area - so here I am.

    I have no clue how my parents would have reacted had I said I wanted to join the military - like most people my age (40), my dad was in the military back in his early 20s or so but it wasn't how my life was planned out from day one.
     
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    Translation: fighting is best left to the poor.

    I'm not picking on you, I had the same situation, but it's interesting how it always works out that way for a certain class of people. Not many of my friends from the wealthy town I grew up in serve, either.
     
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    That's not what I said. I work for the military now and know a good number of people who were in the military before working as civilian engineers - the expected life path for their kids is to join the military. It wasn't the plan my parents had for me. Translate it all you want.
     
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    And I'm saying that the plan your parents had for you was influenced by your social class. It's a no-brainer, really.
     
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    When I was that age everything was pretty much hunky dory. I graduated from college a couple years after Gulf War I. I'd like to think that if my country needed me I'd have gone; but I'm not real fond of taking a job you can't quit. So it would never have been 100% my choice to join.
     
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    I lost my student deferment in 1968, was vehemently against the war and the draft, reclassified 1-A and during that summer went for a couple of physicals that did nothing to change my classification. Did not know what I would have done if drafted, considered going to Canada. But never had to make that choice as the lottery came out and I was number 313...

    In retrospect should have joined the coast guard when I graduated from high school(1965) ... but I was so much older than I'm younger than that now.
     
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    Can you explain that Pujo. Why would social class in Bf's case, or in any case save for the extreme, make a difference?
     
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    I almost joined the reserves with one of my best friends from HS after we graduated. My brother was serving at the time in the Army Airborne 501st up in Anchorage, Alaska. He served during the 1st Gulf War but was never sent to the Gulf since the war was over so quickly. My brother is a disabled vet as he totally screwed up his back on one of his jumps 6 months from being discharged. Anyhow, I remember talking to the recruiter about joining, and was talked out of it by my gf & parents at the time. I had been with her for over a year and she was mortified when I told her about it. My parents didn't want both of their sons in the military with a war having just passed, which was understandable. In hindsight, it's one of my few regrets, not serving my country. My buddy ended up joining without me. I think he was some kind of medical discharge during boot camp. He had some ailment of some kind IIRC. That was something like 15 years ago.
     
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    Not so much class. Like I said, I work with a number of people who were in the military for 15 years or so, transitioned to civilian engineers . . . are the exact "class" that I am . . . and, yet, have their kids' future planned to include the military.
     
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    I joined the army 'cause my father and my brother were in the army. I figured I better join before I got drafted.


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    Because it comes down to choices. A kid who has parents willing to pay for college knows they can make better opportunities for themselves in the private sector. They don't need the Montgomery GI bill or any of that. For a poor person with less choices, the military can be an attractive alternative.

    Now none of that takes into account people who have a genuine interest in joining the military, either because of family ties or because they want to make the sacrifice, but it's no secret that there are more soldiers from lower income families than upper income families. And also, those from lower income families enlist more often, while those from higher incomes families enter the service as officers.
     
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    Seriously, I joined the Army because I knew thats what I was going to do for the longest time. I was fascinated with the military as a little kid and still haven't grown out of it. I've done 11 years and just signed up for 13 more.:eek:

    What am I going to do...get a real job?:D

    You can't beat the benefits, medical, housing, food, special pay and college tuition. After 20 years I will receive half my pay for the rest of my life, not a bad deal. Not everyone wants or can do it, and thats cool but everyone should at least consider it.

    The people are the best part, all walks of life from all over, great times and memories.
     
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    Most soldiers are fom middle income backfround, not lower classes economically. You are correct that the elites are underrepresented. Just like the leites who want to micromanage public schools send their kids to private schools.
     
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    Sometime in this century there will be a "New America", we will either Surrender or we will be taken over by a foreign government, your grandchildren or great grandchildren will live under a dictatorship, your History Books will be destroyed and all traces of the freedoms you now enjoy will disappear, the new government will not want you to know about freedom of speech or your rights when you are arrested, you will be deprived of your sexual freedoms, Martin L King Jr will be removed from all memory, Hollywood will be run by the Government, you will have freee health care and most likely you will drop dead in the hospital hallway waiting for your ByPass, if you should get caught commiting a crime and you demand "your rights" the cop will shoot you in the head.
    There will be a lot of painful moments for those old enough to remember the Good Old Days and FREEDOM.

    Our Military, for years has prevented all this from happening, but sadly, far left liberalism seems hell bent on putting all those things into motion.

    Far left liberalism doesn't support our military, they don't support our country or our flag and they don't support basic dignity or common sense.

    The one good thing to come out of all this is, when the New Government arrives the Heads of the Far Left Liberals will be the first to roll.
    The new government would never put up with their sh!t.

    Who In The Name Of God Do You Liberals Think Protects You :bricks:
     
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    Pujo,
    You're understanding of the army seems to come from a Socialist pamphlet. Do you hand them out, or receive them in the mail?
     
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    Maybe my manifesto is out of date, care to correct anything specific?
     
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    AH beat ya my first lottry number was 347. But I would have joined the navy.And tried to get into the sub service.
     
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    True, but I think that people severely overstate the porportion of poor people to either middle class or rich. It's a classic arguement of certain people to state that the poor fight rich people's wars. The fact of the matter is that the Army doesn't just take anybody, and poorer people are less likely to qualify for service. I think there is more of a balance than people realize. I'll have to look it up to say for sure, so this is more or less from memory. I could be wrong.
     
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    I'd be curious if anyone's studied it, because I'm coming at it from the perspective of "folk wisdom", which isn't always so wise.

    My guess, and I stress this is completely out of thin air, is that around 2/3 of enlisted soldiers come from families in the lower 1/3 economic class for their area. For commissioned officers, I would guess it's more proportional.
     
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