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  1. ctpatsfan77

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    Texans More Dangerous Than They Were During Last Visit to Foxboro, Which Could Spell Trouble for Patriots | New England Patriots | NESN.com

    Blah blah blah. Where's the mention of GRONK et al. coming back for NE?
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    Probably because your team is already close to perfect and the Texans were so outclassed last time that it makes a better story. EVERYONE in the country is calling this another by-week for you guys, isn't that enough?
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    Is Brooks Reed going to cover Woodhead coming out of the backfield now? I am sure this matchup will be closer than the previous one but HOU just doesn't have enough to stop the Patriots, especially, as you said, with Gronk now back. If the Patriots take care of the football, they should win by a TD, at least.
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    "EVERYONE in the country who knows nothing about playoff football is calling this another by-week for you guys"

    I fixed your post for you.:cool:
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    Media spin to make this as intriguing a matchup as possible. I do agree that Houston should provide a tougher matchup this time around, if only because they're not as bad a team as we saw a month ago. But you're right, adding Gronk trumps anything Houston may have done to improve since their last visit to Foxboro. Belichick and the team certainly won't be looking beyond Houston but I honestly don't expect a different outcome than last time, maybe a bit closer but the Patriots match up real well with the Texans.
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    Yep, it's absolutely about the storyline. "The Patriots won a laugher and should be even stronger this time" doesn't sell the game at all.

    IMO a better storyline for the game is: the Texans are loaded with talent, but can they show the flexibility and resilience to change an approach that didn't work? It's a clash of philosophies -- the ultimate chameleon game-planning team vs. the ultimate "we do what we do best" team.
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    Reed is am excellent pass rusher, Joseph looks better than he did a month ago coming off his injury and Graham give them more flexibility to run the ball.

    Schaub is still the weakness IMO, but this will be a much tougher game. IMO the Spread is too high I am hoping for a 7 pt win, if the Texans make good adjustments in how they play the Pats.
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    The Texans are healthier, but are they better? They barely beat a team that did almost everything possible to lose on Saturday. They lost to a team in the last week of the season playing for nothing when the Texans had everything on the line in terms of HFA and a first round bye. They got blown out by one dimensional offense the week before. Matt Schaub has thrown only one TD pass in 23 quarters.

    The media are going to spin this game to make it a closer match up than it is, but the Texans are not playing good football and haven't for a while.
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    Actually Pats did, when Talib & Dennard are 100% Defense isn't a punch line anymore but a punch in opposing OC planning. Opening up man-man coverages, blitz schemes multiple pkgs BB can put in with confidence now.
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    except they're not healthier.....since playing the pats, the texans lost dobbins and sharpton, their 2 best LB's at that time when it comes to pass coverage and they still could not stop hernandez.......add to the fact that gronk is back, my question is 'who is going to cover the TE's?' bradie james?

    all the bengals had to do is keep handing the ball off to green-ellis.....he'd still be running....the bengals had qhat could be the worst game plan ever

    honestly? I think the outcomes for this one could be worse for the texans than the last one

    there is nothing that the texans can even use from the last game in terms of adjustments.......it's not like 'well, if we do this or we do that, we'll fix what killed us in that game'......the texans playing the pats is a square peg in a round hole for them
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    Anyone who makes a statement like that knows absolutely nothing about football. regardless of what happened last time the Texans are one of the best teams in football and have demonstrated that over the past 2 seasons. It's home and i think the Patriots are really healthy and really strong on both sides of the ball so i believe they will win but it isn't going to be easy by any means.

    I would compare people who are calling this a bye to those in NE who claim that Julian Edelman can easily replace Wes Welker, ignorant.
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    This is going to be a tough game and probably one that will not be decided until late in the 4th quarter.

    If I am the Pats DC,my main goal is to stop Foster,if you can do that you can keep focus on Daniels and Johnson which would make it tough to outscore the Pats.

    IMO This game is the real AFCCG.......Whoever wins is going to be in the SB.
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    I disagree that the Texans are one of the best teams in football. I think they are a second tier team and might be a low end second tier team right now. I would probably rank them as the second worst team still left in the playoffs right ahead of the Ravens. So I guess I would make them the 7th best team in the league. Still top ten, but not one of the best.
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    Pats have 2 keys.

    Neutralize Watt ala last game

    Neutralize Foster ala last game

    No secret there.

    The only thing that could make this game close would be turnovers by Pats. :rocker:
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    I guess you're not including completions to DBs? ;)
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    becasue the pats are expected to be great and stay the same as they were say week 10
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    The Patriots will be lucky to win this game by 10. It's not going to be a blowout.
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    I think barring a flat performance or some big mental errors, the Pats win by 10-14 points.
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    Because the fans of other teams, along with the media, are jealous of the Pats and/or tired of seeing them still on top after 10+ years and do not want to acknowlege anything that contradicts their fervent desires/opinion that the Pats will not continue winning.
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    I like everything about Houston except the QB.

    I liked everything about the Ravens last year except the QB

    For me, it comes down to QB pressure...does Bill intend to blitz Schaub?...if not and they just sit back in zone and play bend don't break, Andre Johnson WILL break them. He is in top form right now.

    Control Foster and hit Schaub early and often, the Pats win this game.
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    Was going to post this but you beat me to it. Remember that the Texans effectively play a 5-2 defense, with the OLBs (Barwin, Reed, Mercilus) effectively playing on the line outside their DL. They will drop occasionally but that is more of a change-up rather than a strength.

    So the Texans use their ILB and S positions to patrol the middle of the field. Lets look at the depth chart at those 2 positions, first ILB:

    Bradie James - Serviceable player but not a difference-maker
    Barrett Ruud - Street FA making 2nd start since middle of last year
    Mister Alexander - Special teams guy signed last week
    Cameron Collins - Just signed off practice squad

    They are one injury away from having to throw out their base defense from lack of players. But can the safety position mitigate this?

    Daniel Manning - Good player that has helped stabilize their secondary
    Glover Quin - Helps in run support but can't cover worth a lick
    Quinton Demps - Once useful nickel guy but has fallen out of favor
    Shiloh Keo - Terrible but somehow still getting defensive snaps

    Outside of Manning (who really should be patrolling the deep middle), who is covering any of the Pats middle of the field threats? They love to blitz but are unable to play lockdown man behind it. If they play zone, they will die by a thousand cuts.

    Now that the 2 TE alignment is (hopefully) healthy, the Pats can adjust formations without changing personnel. The Texans base has 3 players (James, Ruud, Quin) that can be exploited. If they go nickel, the Pats just need to get through their DL to get some big runs.

    Any given Sunday and the Texans offense can go a long way to mitigating the issues I mention above...but this is not a good matchup for the Texans. They need a lot of people to step up big time and they just haven't been doing it for the last month or so.
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    If Houston comes into the game with the same game plan they used against us last time and the one they've used pretty much all season I think you could be right.

    BUT seeing how the Pats exposed that game plan the last time I don't think that will be the case and that makes me nervous. Not because I think the Pats are overlooking the Texans but because the Texans might come in with a completely different game plan than they usually play and catch the Pats off guard like the Steelers and Jets did a couple of years ago. I know that Wade Phillips might stick to his guns on D but he is a talented DC capable of coming up with such a game plan to confuse Brady just enough to pull off the win and that my friend scares the hell out of me. :D
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    Trust me, nothing is ever enough. Nobody is even respecting HOU from what I see, even Pats haters.
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    I know that there are a lot of posters on this board that are very savvy with stats a and stuff like that so I have a question for you. Do any of you know what BB's record is against opponents when he plays them the second time in the same season? I'm curious to know what his record is against those opponents when he beat them the first game compared to what it is when he lost to them first.

    I yes I know these stats don't mean anything for Sunday but I'm hoping it will help me ease my nerves a little. :D
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    you know what the weird thing is? say the Packers and Falcons were to get beat next week and the Pats somehow advanced to the SB all their matches would be rematches

    If that doesn't tell you this Pats team has had a battle tested schedule I don't know what will.
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    I guess you mean teams BB face in the regular season and the playoffs in the same season, not just the second time, which would include divisional games.

    2001 STL
    L: 17-24
    W: 20-17

    2003 TEN
    W: 38-30
    W: 17-14

    2003 IND
    W: 38-34
    W: 24-14

    2004 IND
    W: 27-24
    W: 20-3

    2004 PIT
    L: 20-34
    W: 41-27

    2005 DEN
    L: 20-28
    L: 13-27

    2006 NYJ
    W: 24-17
    L: 14-17
    W: 37-16

    2006 IND
    L: 20-27
    L: 34-38

    2007 NYG
    W: 38-35
    L: 14-17

    2009 BAL
    W: 27-21
    L: 14-33

    2010 NYJ
    L: 14-28
    W: 45-3
    L: 21-28

    2011 DEN
    W: 41-23
    W: 45-10

    2011 NYG
    L: 20-24
    L: 17-21

    Overall: 15-13
    Playoffs: 7-6

    As you see, even though BB had a good start, he had lost 6 of the last 8 playoff games against a team he already played in the reg. season. Also, 3 of the last 4 teams (2007 NYG, 2009 BAL & 2010 NYJ) we beat in the most recent game between us, we lost to them in the playoffs.

    The good thing is that this has nothing to do with our next game. Previous experiences will help us go through this game and, hopefully, BB will come with the right gameplan.
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    I'd say 10 is right where it will be. But, after that jets playoff game I'm more nervous about the pats playing anyone in the playoffs.
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