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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Not fair to compare QBs INT to TD ratios back then with those of today. You didn't have all the rules that protect the WRs and QBs back then that you do today. Look at HOFer Joe Namath and his 30% or so MORE INTs than TDs. 50/50 TD/INT wasn't bad if you go back far enough. I also agree with Ray that Grogan was no Brady either, but he was good, and he did have some qualities Brady didn't (running, cannon arm, although Tom has built up his arm a lot). The best description for Grogan in his early days was that he thought his arm was so strong that he could throw the ball through the DBs chest on its way to the receiver. Later he learned to lob it over the DB.
what was the main reasons we were unable to get a win ?
the terrible loss on 1976 with Oak (Ben Dreith...) or some bad decisions during that 3 years period where we had a big opportunity to win it ?
i feel bad for some players (i.e Hannah) that should have earned it...
i have read that in that period probably we had the best team ever...
pity...
I agree those teams had more bonafide stars, but I still believe the Belichick teams have had not just the wiley veterans, but in general they have better depth.I think you could argue the 76-78 Pats teams had among some of the best talent in Patriots history - from Hannah to Haynes to Nelson to Clayborn. But, most of that star talent was young then, and they just didn't have the mix of wiley veterans like the 2001-2004 Patriots teams did.
BB has taught all of us that injuries are inevitable, and in the last part of the season, you want a team with no holes, playing against teams that are fielding bubble gum and baling wire scrubs trying (and failing) to patch holes where injured stars used to play.
Grogan was not a very good quarterback. It's a pretty important position.
People are letting nostalgia cloud their judgment. The 2003-2004 stretch was better (34-4 including playoffs with two superbowl wins can't be topped). That said, Dreith's call probablydid cost us a title - everyone knew that the winner of the Pats-Raiders game was going to win it all.
Steve Grogan was a very good quarterback before he blew out his knees.
ItalianPatThePatriot: "PatsFans resident 70s Pats (red uniforms and all) enthusiast."
76-78 Pats , had great talent but was mismanaged very poorly... But without those Pats, I would have never found football..
All this brings to mind that ESPN Classic is a total waste of a channel for airing the 2005 World Poker Challenge ten to twenty times a week, but they can't ever seem to find a tape of the 1976 Pats-Raiders playoff.
All this brings to mind that ESPN Classic is a total waste of a channel for airing the 2005 World Poker Challenge ten to twenty times a week, but they can't ever seem to find a tape of the 1976 Pats-Raiders playoff.
My sentiments precisely. NFL Films must have it somewhere. I've only been able to find small clips from that game, but I have heard the radio broadcast. I'd kill for a copy of that game...or any others from '76 for that matter.
I have found a few games from 78 on ebay. None from 76 however, probably because VCR's were rare even in 78. I agree with most of the sentiments expressed in this thread, that era hooked me on football and the Pats. My first game was the 76 blowout of the Raiders 48-17. I will say I have watched those 78 games (I have the Raiders, Colts and Cowboys games) and there was definitely something missing in those teams. They had a maddening habit of blowing scoring opportunities, at least in the games that I have. The Cowboys game still frustrates me to watch, the Pats put up over 300 hundred yards of offense in the first half including something like 170 yards rushing but only led 10-3. By the way, does anybody remember what a huge game this was at the time? I remember that the Cowboy's were like a mythical team at the time and the Pats playing them in Dallas seemed like one the biggest sporting events I could remember. In the Colts game, the famous Joe Washington game, Grogan threw critical and very stupid interceptions to blow a couple of scoring drives otherwise this would have been a blowout. I love Grogan as much as anyone and especially admired his courage later in his career but during the 76-78 area he was a problem. On a team as talented as the Pats were they needed a QB who didn’t lose games and that’s what Grogan often did. By the way one of my favorite things from these games is that on the Cowboy tape it has the entire NFL today show on it with Brett Musburger and Irv Cross.
here in Italy, so probably in all Europe, Espn Classic i think never showed an NFL game...