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  1. BBass

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    Seeing how he would be scooped up in a heartbeat by the Jets if we did release him I see him as sure thing to make the roster. So who is out now?

    I am saying Woodhead based on Vereen being able to take 3rd down role and Demps being the primary kickoff returner now.
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    At this point no one. The Pats have carried five RBs in recent years. I don't know if he takes anyone especially since he is likely going to be a special teamer specialist.
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    Probably Woodhead. He has presumably lost any chance that he had at the kick return job to Demps. Vereen has reportedly looked very good catching the ball. None of the RBs stick out in pass blocking. That leaves Woodhead as a backup 3rd down back and draw specialist, as far as I'm concerned.
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    Woodhead has played more snaps at RB the last 2 years than anyone on the team.
    You are going to cut him for a track star?

    It never ceases to amaze me the stuff people come up with around here.
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    There is no roster spot.The team can carry 80 players at this time....Stop worrying about the 53 roster,it will all be sorted out by the first game.:rocker:
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    I'm going to say Brady.
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    I'm not sure that Woodhead gets cut for Demps, since the Pats still don't know what they have in the new guy (and won't until he takes the field), but I do think that the chances of Woodhead re-signing with the Pats when his contract are up just took a pretty major hit. If he's not going to be a significant ST contributor, then I doubt that he factors into the long-term RB equation enough to warrant a roster spot there alone.

    Re: Andy's post; he's taken the most snaps for a RB unit that, in context, has not been very effective for the last couple of years. Teams have felt comfortable essentially daring the Patriots to run, which has negatively affected the passing game. Much like I wasn't heartbroken to see BJGE leave, I wouldn't lose any sleep over Woodhead leaving either. And I haven't seen anyone say that we should "cut him for a track star" -- rather, that Vereen and Demps, in combination, could very well marginalize him in the two significant areas where he's capable of bringing value.

    Or, to keep it short: nobody's saying (at least yet) that Demps will take over Woodhead's spot in the RB rotation. Just that he'll likely supplant Woodhead as the primary punt/kick returner, which isn't an unreasonable projection.
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    The whole contract thing is a good point. The Pats already have control of Vereen, Ridley, Bolden, and Demps for at least three more years each. If they cut Bolden, for example, and keep Woodhead, then there's a good chance they're without both Bolden and Woodhead a year from now.
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    I really don't think Danny Woodhead is going anywhere.

    The team could keep 5 RB's (not likely in my opinion), or they could add Demps to one of the spots that were going to a guy as ST only.

    I think that Woodhead is the only proven back here at this point, and will still be a nice part of the NEP offense. He may not be a lead back, but he has carved his niche, and does it fairly well. There were times last yr when he was hurt and not quite as effective, but he looked much better once healthier towards the end of the season.
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    Right now, no one. But, assuming that Demps ends up on the 53 man squad as the primary return guy, his spot could come at the expense of:

    - A fullback
    - Another RB - most likely Brandon Bolden (unlikely, IMHO)
    - A 4th TE
    - A 6th WR/STer
    - A 3rd QB (unlikely, unless a trade occurs)
    - A 9th OL (unlikely)
    - A 10th DB/STer
    - A 5th LB/STer
    - A 5th DE/OLB
    - A 6th DT/DE

    Given the versatility on defense it's quite possible that BB could carry only 24 defensive players to create an extra spot on offense. Otherwise, 25 defensive plays + 3 STers (K, P, LS) + 9 OLs 37 players, which would leave 16 skill positions between QB, RB, FB, TE and WR.
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    We carried 5 backs last year.
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    I floated the idea earlier that they may look at trading Woodhead because he's a proven 3rd down back and may be redundant due to other roster choices. I don't believe they would cut him outright. If Demps is the return man and Vereen is going to be the 3rd down back then getting value for Woodhead makes sense. Normally I wouldn't suggest moving a player as good as Woodhead is but he may be a luxury at this point.
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    If he has to replace a RB I'm gonna say Bolden. Bolden would then go to the PS.
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    Stallworth, or maybe Trevor Scott.
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    True, but they may keep the FB this season due to OL concerns.
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    If he ends up on the 53 man roster, then by definition he's taken a spot that otherwise would have gone to someone else. My guess would be that it's at the expense of one of the skill position players who's expected to contribute on ST - that makes the most likely roster casualty, IMO, either a fullback, a 4th TE, or Stallworth, since he was seeing some kick return reps if I'm not mistaken.
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    Shane Vereen, Steven Ridley, Brandon Bolden as running backs and now the "track star" as a kick returner would be the reason Woodhead could be cut..

    Brandon Merriweather took more snaps at safety then anyone else in 2009 and 2010.. Then got cut last year.. Ty Warren was our starting LDE for 5 years got cut last season... Shall I continue the list of player BB has cut despite there previous roles?

    Never ceases to amaze me how Andy Johnson lives in the past. Why don't you sign up for a history forum....
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    Stallworth, Bolden, Larsen or Fiametta, Edelman, or Woodhead would seem to be the players most threatened by this move. All of those other than Bolden have proven NFL value and it is conceivable that they could get something for pretty much any one of them. Only Woodhead could get them a pick as high as the 4th imo.
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    I agree on everyone except Bolden. If he's not on the roster, even as a gameday inactive, then the Pats are one injury away from having a RB corps that tops out at 205 pounds.
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    My thought is Woodhead because his roles on the team can be filled with the Vereen/Demps combination.

    My question however is not which running back gets loses a spot I am saying that Demps is in my opinion a roster lock so someone in who is projected to make the 53 man roster is now off, my opinion was Woodhead but my thread question was who? I wanted to hear others opinions on who it could be not create a debate on why it won't be Woodhead.
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    OK, gotcha, we are going to keep 2 UDFAs and get rid of a guy who has been excellent.
    Lets just hope Brady can hang on to his job, since he is living in the past too.
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    It's odd to me that so much of this thread is about impact on the RBs, when the consensus in the main Demps thread seemed to be that Demps should be 90% KR this year, with hopes of gradually integrating him into the offense over time.

    FWIW, on my roster Marquise Cole is running around asking "He can't play gunner, can he? Can he??"
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    Given the lateness of his arrival on the scene, I think BB should stick Demps on PUP, and bring him along slowly, while keeping a current roster player in the mix a little longer.
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    So your comparing Danny Woodhead's importance to the team to Tom Brady's? Brilliant comparison. I know Tom has 10 career rushing touchdowns to Woodheads 6 should we compare further stats?

    Excellent would be how I would describe a thread that doesn't include any comments from you not Danny Woodheads Patriots career.

    So now that we have your stupidy out of the way let me explain this thread again and maybe you can actually be a constructive member. Ready Andy? Read it slow.. My question was who misses the 53 man roster now that we added Demps. I offered my opinion as Woodhead as a candidate based on his role on the team and who could fill them. This was not a debate over Woodhead missing the team that thread would of read "Danny Woodhead a roster cut with addition of Demps".

    Let me know if you need me to sound it out to you..
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    What's your answer to the question in the title?
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    One thing is for certain, there is NO WAY that David Patten makes this roster.

    Oh, wait, wrong thread.
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    Thank you for being able to understand the point of my thread. It was to hear peoples suggestions on who would lose a roster spot, my opinion was Woodhead for the reasons I gave, but I was interested in hearing other players from any positions.
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    I would certainly agree with your thoughts here, Patchick.

    That's the kind of player who I see being in competition for Demps' spot, the one that was a ST-only backup already.

    Of course Belichick may feel differently and then we'd get into the whole "how many" debate at each specific position, but in my opinion the easiest answer is likely the road down which you're heading.
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    I posted a list of players affected by Demps in the other thread. I think you can find the cut player from that list. Basically, as far as the roster spot cut...

    FB
    WR
    RB
    ST

    Which specific player is likely never to be known.


    For the record, I don't see Demps being the reason for Woodhead being cut/traded. If Woodhead were cut/traded, I'd expect that to be because the Patriots were happy with Vereen as the prime 3rd down back and Bolden as an integral part of the rotation.
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