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    I went to the game tonight, what a mistake. I'm tired of seeing Ellis get used and abused and "game-planned for" each and every week by offensive coordinators and what's up with Bryant, I thought this guy was a stead Eddie type, I know he never had a lot of picks in his career, but I didn't know his coverage skills have deteriorated that much. Brutal.

    To be honest, Wheatley has earned a starting spot, he's better than either one of these two. It's one thing to pass on DRC who has already shut down his side of the field in Arizona, he hasn't seen a pass thrown his way yet, but to think Fernando Bryant is the answer, I don't know man. Goober will be licking his chops if we stroll those two into Lucas Oil in November.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Hoobs is a shutdown corner of course its Bryant.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?


    Bah I'm tired of seeing posts bashing Hobbs. It's amazing the hate this guy gets from so many pats fans.

    Can we just wait to play some regular season games, where we actually scheme and gameplan for a team before you start misjudging players? It's not a if the patriots just played strict man to man and the db's were blowing it left and right. There are holes in every zone defense ever called/created.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Neither of them are bad. I truly think it's the play calling. Why are these guys playing 10 yards off the receivers every down? It didn't work last year. We have shorter CB that are faster and are better in bump coverage, but we give the other team an easy 5 yard pass and the WRs do the rest. Quite annoying seeing that this game when that was one of our banes last year.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    The Pats played a soft zone most of the night. As long as they keep the receivers in front of them, they are doing what the Pats asked. Hobbs did it and Bryant did it other than one time.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    I'm with you. I'll take Hobbs any day. I wish coaches would not have him play off recvr so much.

    it's way too early to assess either one of these guys this season.(hobbs- post injury)
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?


    Yea I'm definitely hoping we see more tight coverages this season as opposed to the last couple but I definitely don't expect it to be that great until at least a few games into the season. We do have quite a few new pieces that need to be worked into it all.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Wasn't Bryant a journeyman CB who did not even make the Lions roster as he was cut and all of a sudden you expect greatness from him?

    BB is good when choosing players but not a miracle man and Bryant was a move that was needed at the time,A Desperate move,but filled a hole regardless with little cap worry.

    Maybe a Duane Starks Jr. in 2008,maybe not ,But Champ Bailey can rest easy,His role as leagues best CB is not in danger of Fernando taking it away :)
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Filled a hole?

    To be honest, I would rather see an untested Wilhite or a washed up Ty Law fill that hole, because Bryant has been Jason David part 2 so far. He's been awful, don't paint him any differently, he's been terrible and better improve or we are toast............
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Filled a hole when Asante left town - That hole - Which IMO is still pretty big right now - I could only hope Law would come back soon.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Look, based on what we've seen Ty Law is an upgrade over either of these two. Ty and Junior back in town, might be the spark this defense needs to get off it's a@@.............
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Bryant started all 16 games for Detroit last season. For his career, he's been a starter in all but 1 of the games he's played. He became a free agent after last season, when he was cut prior to a big bonus and high salary.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Too many facts...:D
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    Welcome to the Chicken Little Thread

    This is great! I didn't see the game yet but the reactions are so predictable around here. Did I come to the right place for the "sky is falling" talk ? I just came from the Homerville " Game three Ups" thread before, excellent contrast.

    Seriously though, relax. The corners will play closer this year than they have in the past, once BB gives the green light to start rolling out some of the new blitz packages that Caper brought with him. It's all going according to plan.

    Sorry, but Wheatley doesn't start for the first half of the season, at least, as long as Bryant is healthy.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    Has Jason David ever played for us? How can Bryant be David part 2?

    And yes, filled a hole. We needed a CB before the draft. We got one. You wanted to close your eyes and pray that rookie (who we didn't even know if we were going to draft yet) was going to be ready to fill in as a starting corner?

    We're not going to tip our hand in preseason. The coverages called for these guys are not going to let us see what they can really do, and that's a GOOD THING.
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    Yeah, you're right. DRC will probably be the Defensive rookie AND player of the year based on the two Arizona preseason games. I am also calling for Colt Brennan to be league MVP based on that Hall of Fame game. Kevin Kolb should start over McNabb because, come on, who has Andy Reid trusted more so far this year? That's right, the guy on the field...Kolb. The same is true for Casell (screw that Brady guy, BB obviously thinks he's crap because he hasn't played him yet), David Carr over Eli Manning, and Jim Sorgi over Peyton Manning. All these "regular season superstars" look like chumps right now!

    You know we're in pre season right now, right? As in "Before the games mean anything" part of the season.
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    Other than the couple years we won with Ty Law, name a team this decade who had a "shutdown" corner and won the super bowl?

    2001 - NE - Ty Law.
    2002 - TB - Pretty sure their WHOLE defense was great, not any one single corner.
    2003/2004 - NE - One of these years we had Ty, another we ended up with Earthwind Moreland starting a super bowl.
    2005 - Pit - Good front seven, good safety, but who were their CBs?
    2006 - Indy - NEVER has elite corners, always serviceable.
    2007 - NYG - Some say the secondary was the weak link on that D. We all know what happened.

    Would I love to have a Ty Law type again on this team? Absolutely! Who wouldn't? But it's not a necessity, and often these "shutdown" corners demand more money than they are worth (see Hall, D'Angelo). Also, DRC is a friggen rookie. Let's see him play a real opponent in a real game before we declare him Primetime, k?
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    To answer your initial question, I think neither is worse. I think the Patriots pass rush is currently the worst part of the defense right now.
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    I think the Pass Rush is intentionally soft right now, personally.
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    You may be right. A lot of what we've seen on defense so far has been about as simple as simple can be. A lot of three man rushing and a lot of corners playing way off the line. They blitz a little (it was interesting to see Bruschi and Mayo do the ILB crossing blitz last night...it didn't work but it was interesting.) Anyway, I am sure the play at all the defensive positions will obviously improve once gameplanning really takes place.
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    And Capers is supposedly a blitz-monger, so unless he's mellowed out, we have to think that's a consideration.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?


    I like Ellis, he seems like he is a nice kid. He does have an inflated sense of self worth, and likes to make excuses for having college level talent. My question is "Why the man love for Ellis F'ing Hobbs?" He is a good kick off guy and a bad cornerback, but the defenders of Ellis on this board have him in the Hall of Fame. My eyes tell me he is the closest thing to burnt toast on the field at any given time. My eyes tell me that his ONLY redeaming quality is that he can tackle well. He would be in trouble if he couldn't because as long as he is on the field, the opposing offense is throwing to his side.

    If I am wrong I will own up to it, but I doubt I will have to. Ellis is bad and he won't last the year.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    He's a nickel corner at best in this league and he's an offensive game plan waiting to happen for every team the Patriots face on their schedule.
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    He is a GOOD cornerback and no one is trying to put him in the Hall...

    Your eyes lie, or you see what you want to see. Just because Hobbs makes the tackle doesn't mean Hobbs screwed up and allowed the catch.

    When Hobbs runs over to Davenport and barely misses, he gets blamed for "getting burnt" when in reality he almost covered for a teammates screw-up because he wasn't supposed to be there or cover that man.

    What about times when the play called is supposed to give Hobbs safety help over the top, but the safety bites on an inside cut or a play fake and then Hobbs' man gets wide open. Hobbs may have played it perfectly right, but the safety screwed up and all we see on TV is Hobbs' man making a catch.


    Yea except Samuel allowed a higher percentage of completions last year. The year before they always threw at Samuel, until he got all those INTs. So throwing more at someone doesn't mean they are bad, unless you think Samuel is bad which most don't?




    You are wrong, but you will never own up to it, much like every other Hobbs basher.

    I'm pretty sure Ellis will be the patriots #1 CB for at least the next 5 years. Ellis has always done his job and the coaching staff has always been pleased with his work at corner. He doesn't take the risks that Samuel takes and therefore doesn't come up with a ton of interceptions. Remember though, Samuel's risks also led to some big plays/TD's when he was wrong. So it's a risk/reward type of deal.

    Ellis Hobbs is also a MUCH better in man coverage than Samuel, and you need only go back to last year and watch games that we played a team with a great receiver like the Bengals. Hobbs mostly covers the #1 receiver, and if you watch the tapes you can see him stick to guys like Chad Johnson like glue in man coverage.

    Ellis Hobbs is a GOOD corner, the best the patriots have (this year and the last few, save for maybe when he had his cast on). He is not going to the Hall of Fame and maybe never to the probowl, but I am damn glad we have him on our team.

    And BTW, if Hobbs is in a deep zone coverage because of the play called... He is NOT supposed to jump the short routes, therefore if nobody is covering the short zone then it's going to be a completion and the BEST thing Hobbs can do is come up and make the tackle for as little extra gain as possible.
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    Are you saying we should have taken DRC instead of Mayo?
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    I said consider the alternative of what we could have had:

    DRC and Lofton

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    DRC and Wheatley and Dan Connor (How would that have been ?)

    We took Mayo, we'll see how this all pans out.

    Right now, these corners we have will get eaten alive by any of the top end QBs on our schedule, thankfully they get their feet wet with Brady Croyle to start things off, my worry is what Favre is going to do to these corners the following week.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?


    I'll admit it if I am wrong, hell what do I have to lose? All last year all I heard was why would anybody throw at Asante and Ellis was just a victim of Asante's success. Then when he gives up what might be the easiest touchdown in Super Bowl history, all I hear is he was hurt. Now all I am hearing is that he was told to play 10 yards off the reciever. I would rather lose with young corners with promise than with a failed experiment, and right now Ellis has failed.

    On the plus side he has a really hot girl friend.
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    From what I've seen and heard about Mayo thus far, no other linebacker would have done. He fits BB, he fits the system. You can't say the same about DRC because you really have no idea, he doesn't play here.
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    What rubrick can you possibly be using to claim that Hobbs has failed?
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    Re: Who's worse Hobbs or Bryant ?

    He doesn't cross his arms and nod like he just saved the world every time he makes a play.
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