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    Who will pay for health care? Not us | Steve Chapman

    This man speaks the truth. Obama's health care plan is too good to be true.:singing::singing::singing::singing: Trick or Treat ????:singing::singing::singing:
     
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    There are tradeoffs in everything. On the other hand, a new health care system will cause a lot of restructuring that will probably lead to a number new jobs, and perhaps people retiring out of the old system. The rich will have less to invest, but many of the superrich might step in, knowing that sooner or later the Republicans or libertarians will regain power and cut taxes. The superrich invest in 50 and 100 year time frames, which makes them far more immune to politics.
     
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    Most of the superrich are Dems (Gates, Buffett, Soros) who buy off the pols and never have to worry about the taxes aimed at small business.
     
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    Yeah, this is a death sentence to small business. It's tough owning a business with few employees, and this will only make it harder. In the end we will all just end up working for someone else, the government. It's like straight out of a science fiction novel. Pass the soylent green?
     
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    OMG. Funniest post of the day! Somehow screwing the rich out of their money, is magically going to produce new jobs! Love it! Do you live in Fantasy Land in Disney, Florida? What you described has never happened in history, never will. Can you provide a name of your so-called super rich that are immune to politics? - come on, just one example.
     
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    How about Goldman Sachs........
     
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    A perfect example of a corporation that is completely affected by the government, because now they are partners with it - along with GE, and some Al Gore "green" corps.
     
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    In agreement accept I think you meant cause and effecting!
     
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    You're mixing up politics and reality. You clearly don't know much about the economic history of the United States, but it would take too long for me to educate you about that. Briefly, consider that Ike had a 90% income tax bracket, Kennedy had a 70% income tax bracket, Clinton raised taxes, and you know what they all had in common? They had thriving economies. But, like I said, you confused politics with reality. Poor you.
     
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    Nobody expects Obama to turn his health care plan into a none profit organization for the 'rich'. So far, we have heard Obama talking about taxing the 'rich'. I'm sure that he will pull another crap if the 'rich' isn't going to do it.
     
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    Indirectly it will be the people who lose their jobs.

    Businesses Worry About New Burdens - WSJ.com

    ""It's going to cost jobs. It's pretty simple," said Bruce Josten, executive vice president of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, which represents three million employers and opposes both the House and the Senate bills."
     
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    That 90% you often refer to did not mean our wealthiest citizens paid 90% of their income to the gov't. They were taxed at varying levels that ended with them paying anything over $XMM at 90%.
     
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    Also there were numerous tax exemptions for the rich, who do you thin contributes all that $$$ to the pols.
     
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    Two other points also :

    1) We have more taxes now. All taxes have been going up. State Income tax, Gas Tax, Property Tax is crazy in some parts now. I'm not saying we didn't have those taxes back then but they're going up and the Sin Taxes have gone WAY up.

    2) We didn't have to compete globally back then the way we do now. Some people will leave. Many businesses will go overseas to avoid high corporate taxes. That wasn't an issue back then.
     
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    Very true look at government at all levels as a % of GDP now as opposed to back in the 50's huge difference.
     
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    Yeah, that goes without saying. Personally I think we should bring it back for all income over, say, $10 million.
     
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    Gov't controlled salary ceiling? No, I don't think so Patters. What we need is some common sense from share holders and boards of directors.

    See, here's the thing Patters. What we NEVER want to see is more and more money coming in to fund the growth of the federal gov't. Next you'll be supporting home ownership & automobiles for everyone.:rolleyes:

    For the last time, everyone doesn't deserve to have the same. Yes, the system isn't totally fair, but neither is life. Make it fairer WITHOUT spending money.
     
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    Good articles in the WSJ and IBD today on taxes to pay for the destruction of the health care system... Worth a read.

    BTW they are trying to rush through the nationalization of health care before the CBO has a chance to score it. IOW they have no idea what this will cost. Sorta like the stimulus bill that was going to cap the unemployment # at 8%.
     
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    I don't think everyone deserves the same, but a progressive tax doesn't do that, and I'm not advocating a salary cap. But we have 37,000,000 people who live below the poverty line. If not out of compassion, then out of concern for the economic costs -- crime, police, prisons, reduce home values, homeless people in our neighborhoods, lack of disposable income -- we need to address the basic needs of our people and our economy. There is no choice but to turn to the middle class and the wealthy. It seems to me that the middle class are a major asset to the wealthy, and have the right for part of their compensation to be in the form of increased taxes on the wealthy.
     

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