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    Who are big name FAs they could get?? They have to go to FA right? With TBC probably cut, thats 2.4 million off the books.
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    In a perfect world, Lamarr Woodley. But I think a move like that would get too many people excited and joyous so it's unlikely.
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    Eric Moore.
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    Is it me or would Mathias Kiwanuka make a very good 3-4 OLB?
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    What about Rosey Colvin ... I know its way outside the box, but Colvin tweeted that he is serious about coming back. It's a no risk shot to bring him into camp and see if he has anything left.

    If they keep TBC and put him on PUP or if they cut him outright, Colvin knows the system.
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    everyone says that, but he's coming back from an injury that hasn't fully healed on top of having to learn a new defensive scheme. I guess I'm the only one that sees how getting Kiwanuka may be risky.
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    This....Cunningham and Ninko are the starters. TBC is a sub at this point anyway. Eric Moore is the 1st guy off the bench & sub-package 4/3 end.
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    The Pats have borderline nothing at OLB right now. They've hit the point where they have to take risks at the position, there's really no way around it IMO. Unless of course you enjoyed watching Mark Sanchez shredding our defense in the playoffs because he had all day to throw. 0 sacks 0 hits speaks for itself.
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    Eric Moore will overtake Ninko to start.
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    He's my fist choice. I think he'd be a good fit, as long as he checks out medically. Lawson is my number 2.
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    I'm sure that one of the multiple DE/OLB picks the Patriots took in the first four rounds this year will win the job.
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    I thought cutting him would be a wash money wise.
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    OLB? Who needs them anyway? We could get ourselves a running back or two with the money and space this frees up.
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    What about the TRUE answers?

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    :D :rolleyes:

    I'm trying to find hope. Cunningham and Ninkovich as opening day starters, with Moore as the rotation, wow. To be fair, I've liked what I've seen from Moore. But, a 2nd year player and a JAG as starters, ouch.
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    I thought cutting him would be a wash money wise.
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    IMO Bill wants 4 all around (run / rush / coverage) LB's. Then Bill can stay in the 3-4 and bring pressure from anywhere and disguise where it's coming from. Of course these players aren't easy to find especially when you add the measurable restrictions.

    The guy I could see coming to us is Manny Lawson. He adds something to the OLB spot that we currently don't have (+ coverage ability). I've heard mixed reviews about his run support. His pass rush skills look average. So he seems to be what Bill would want (an all around player). I think he'd represent an upgrade over Ninko and would come a realistic price. He wouldn't take the defense to new heights but he'd be an upgrade and should be entering the prime of his career.
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    Clay Matthews is fairly average against the run. That hasn't stopped him from being an impact player.

    The Pats OLB's appear to be situational opposite Cunningham atm.
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    Dane Fletcher. I think this former DE will be used as rush linebacker this season.
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    Where's the depth?
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    Or Monty Beisel????
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    Sorry but what's your point? Idk how Matthews fits into what I was saying.
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    I would have thought it was an obvious one. You said Manny Lawson is a well rounded LB with average pass rushing ability and questionable run support reviews. Clay Matthews is an above average pass rusher and an average to below average run supporter linebacker.

    My question is, if Lawson has been reviewed as being well rounded yet average in both run support and pass rushing what's the point of bringing him in when we already have situational linebackers who appear to be better than him at one or the other?

    With someone like Matthews, despite his deficiencies you know he's a game changer. Lawson hasn't shown that at any stage of his NFL career.
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    Amnazing what an injury will do for a guy. Last month he couldn't set the edge and was a liability in coverage.

    Now he is going to miss the first half of training camp and he can only be replaced by Lamar Woodley.

    And if we can't get Lamar Woodley to replace him for the 4-5 weeks of off-season and training camp he will miss, it must be a big name.

    Forget about developing all the OLBs who played their first year with the Pats last year. We need a NAME.
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    14-2, allowing under 20 points a game are the numbers that speak for themselves. No team ever beat another team 5 sacks to 2.
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    The point is that with Lawson you do not telegraph to the offense what a player's role is. Bill wants this for his defense IMO so he can create pressure through his blitzes, scheme, etc.

    With TBC injured Lawson would be our best pass rusher from OLB. He'd also be our best coverage OLB. As I stated earlier I believe he would bring an upgrade, not gigantic but noticeable, to our defense.

    Is Lawson on Matthews level? Clearly no. But I don't expect the team to replace TBC with a pro bowl caliber OLB.
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    I can't agree with that. I'd rather telegraph an intention rather than bring in a below average jack of all trades given the singular role players are more outstanding than Lawson in the single package.

    I'm sure a better compliment could be found.
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    Do you view Nink as a better pass rusher than Lawson?

    Do you view Nink as a better coverage LB than Lawson?

    If you're so sure then how bout some names.
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    Lawson's sack numbers:

    2.5
    0 (lost year, 2 game season)
    3.0
    6.5
    2.5

    Last year, Ninkovich had 4.0 sacks, bettering all but one of Lawson's seasons. I don't see how you figure Lawson as a sure fire upgrade as a pass rusher.
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