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Who will be this years Connor Barwin?

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  1. JoeShmoe

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    Place your bets now for the guy the whole board goes mad over as he has 'potentially massive upside' and wont be a top 15

    Probably has to be an DE/OLB as it usually is !
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    I don't see one personally. Barwin was spotted early on, and by this time last year the board was already at fever pitch.

    Austen Lane might garner a lot of interest as the Draft gets closer, but there's not a Barwin this year.

    And I doubt there ever will be another Barwin :D
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    Barwin is a legend in the annals of binkydom, not merely a player, but a force of nature. Trying to expect any binky to compare to Barwin is massively unfair. :D
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    I think Austen Lane compares favorably with Barwin as a prospect, and coming from a Division II school has a similar kind of "out of nowhere" feel to him. But I don't expect the level of emotional attachment/aversion that Barwin generated.
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    Or how about this year's Beatty? You remember him, don't you? the OT we just had to have, the one that we passed on at 23 and 26 and 34 and 40 and 41. You remember him, the OT that was driving folks people crazy when we didn't trade up for him for another 15 picks. Oh, how Belichick lost it.

    But Belichick was the genious! Everyone had passed on Beatty, almost everyone twice and he was still there at 58! And then the hopes of the board were dashed when Belichick made a huge, huge reach for an OT named Vollmer.
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    The answer is Greg Hardy.

    Large men with chronically injured feet who possess a declining game in college usually go in the third round or lower.
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    I do not see a tweener type that fits the Barwin mold, but I see a kid, T Lang, down at Troy that would make an excellent developmental pass rusher/ST demon if BB wants to take a chance on developing a young kid.

    He needs more sand in the pants to anchor and set the edge against the run, but as a 3-4 pass rusher, he has oodles of potentail, depending on how he runs.
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    Austen Lane, clearly :)
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    Micah Johnson is my bink. If he isn't the second coming Ray Lewis, I give up on my amateur scouting.
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    It's early, so I'll list a few candidates. None strike me as Barwin-worthy yet though.

    Offense:
    Jahvid Best, RB ,Cal
    Golden Tate, WR, ND
    Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma

    Defense:
    Corey Wootton, DE/OLB?, Northwestern
    Ricky Sapp, DE/OLB, Clemson
    Sergio Kindle, DE/OLB, Texas

    Right now, I love Tate and Wootton. Unfortunately, Wootton has Top 12 written all over him. Tate also seems unlikely because I don't see the Pats using a 1st on a WR and I don't see him getting past WR-needy and Weis involved KC at the beginning of Rd 2. And if we pick another TE in the first, I'll, I'll...drink heavily until I rationalize it somehow.
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    Maybe McClain in terms of binkydom.
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    I think he means a prospect with considerably less talent ;)
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    Wooton is no OLB and I'm not seeing Top 12 by any means, he is a consideration at #22. Sapp is already on the team, and he's been IR'd the past two seasons. Kindle has an early push from last season, but nothing strong so far.
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    Exactly. Well said.

    Sapp's upside is probably Manny Lawson at best. Not different enough from Crable, and not enough upside to justify a 1st round pick.
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    Wootton is a 3-4 DE.

    I'm still laughing about Sapp already being on the team... he definitely has a lot of Crable in him.
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    Probably Golden Tate or Micah Johnson.
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    Although right now my main binky is Brandon Graham.
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    I want this board to hop on the Toby Gerhart bandwagon. :)
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    I would think Sergio Kindle. I have a feeling he will put up jaw dropping numbers at the combine
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    Kindle only has like 3 or 4 sacks this season. I know he gets double-teamed, but still. Besides, I don't like to use the combine as the best way to gauge a player; Vernon Gholston looked like a freak of nature at the combine and now he's the highest paid special teams linebacker in the league.
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    Somebody had a clip of immediate post-draft analysis from SNY in New York. Their JEST analysts said that the JEST had pulled one over on the Pats by getting Gholston. :D
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    I was bored a few weeks ago and read the ganggreen 2008 draft thread to see how their fans initially reacted to his selection. Some funny stuff on there. Virtually every poster believed the Jets robbed the Pats and when we traded back it made them even more c.ocky.
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    Hell No!

    Adrian Peterson also looked like a freak of nature at the combine and hes arguably the best running back in the NFL. Kindle isnt a one trick pony like Gholston, he has a high motor unlike Gholston and he had a strong performance in the National championship game which shows me that he can compete at a high level in big games against big opponents.
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    Jerry Hughes is almost certainly at the top of the Belichick draft board. ( my instincts tell me ) he should be at the top of all ours as well.

    CP
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    I want this board to hop on the Toby Gerhart bandwagon.

    In terms of binkydom, oh yeah, I'm feelin you.
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    He doesn't have proto-typical Belichick measurables.

    Remember, BB is after guys at 6'4" and over and weighing 260lbs+

    Hughes isn't that tall are big.

    Using that criteria alone, I'll guess BB's board probably looks something like this:

    Morgan
    Hardy
    Dunlap
    JPP
    Lane
    Hughes
    Graham
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    I agree with your assessment. I'd be shocked if Jerry Hughes is at the top of BB's OLB board.

    I'm not sure about the order of Morgan/Hardy/Dunlap/JPP, but they've got to be at the top of his list. Lane is the most intriguing. I'd add Sergio Kindle and Ricky Sapp since they're both 6'4"+, but they're on the light side and don't seem stout enough to really be of interest. Sapp's a glorified Shawn Crable.
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    why?:confused: Hes going to be a fullback in the NFL if anything.
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    In our offense (if we had a power center) Gerhart would be a scary load for opposing defenses; especially if we went four WR's; provided he can pick up blitzers.

    Spread the defense out and let Gerhart run it right down the throat of an opposing defense with only six in the box. If the defense moves a seventh defender into the box, Brady audibles to a pass and hit the guy with single coverage.
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    Hes going to be a fullback in the NFL if anything

    He certainly can be but I think he could also be a good power back and he has outstanding character. I could see him being very multidimensional, doing whatever the Pats needed at the time.

    I might be completely wrong but that's why he attained binky status.
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