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Kaczur or O'Callaghan?
Its definitely a hot topic for camp.
1) Is O'Callaghan fully recovered from his concussions? Does he have a new mouth guard to help him prevent future ones?
2) Has Kaczur matured enough where he won't get traded?
3) Will Britt step up and push for playing time?
4) Will Oldenburg or Hilliard just blow everyone away and win the starting position?
To me this is more interesting than the battle at WR. No matter what the WRs should be really really good, at RT there is far more uncertainity.
My Guess is that O'Callahan is in the lead position.
1) It looks like he works harder than Kaczur and has a year up on the new rookies.
2) I think he is bigger than Kaczur and fits the position RT better.
3) Kaczur stepped in at LT so it might be that BB considers him to the the primary backup at both positions. So if Light got hurt only one OL position would need to be changed.
O'Callihan if he stays healthy through training camp.Ithought he sustained a neck injury in the chicago game,not a concusion.
Who knows really. I just hope we don't have one of those "camp retirement" phenonmenons about to occur with O'Callaghan.
Kaczur has been about as good as you could expect from a 3rd round Canadian/MAC tackle his first two years, but he has been the weak point on that O-line. Case in point: one play against the Chargers in the playoffs where I watched (Polk, I think) completely spin him 360-degrees around. On the one hand, Kaczur got completely spun around and backed into the pocket. On the other hand, Kaczur got completely spun around but maintained his block. He didn't just fall down Ã la Max Lane.
O'Callahan started as a rookie and did quite well until he got hurt (I also thought it was a neck injury). Unless he's regressed he'll probably win the spot.
O'Callaghan is good bet to win the starter's job. He's a beast. I haven't heard anything regarding lingering injuries, as he's not on the PUP. Kaczur's an excellent backup.
When the smoke clears, Wesley Britt will be the starting RT come playoff time. He was dominant in college as a run blocker, and dominant vs. Cincinnati last season.
Well, as long as somebody else is out on that limb, I'll climb on too. Then again, that behemoth has been on my binkie list for a while now.
Add me to the list. I think O'Callaghan begins the year as the starter but I am seriously concerned about his health. Britt is (correct me if I'm wrong) entering his 3rd year in the Donte school of offernive linemenship. I think he breaks out.
By the way... good look at the O-Line posted yesterday by Erik Scalavino on Patriots.com : http://www.patriots.com/news/index.cfm?ac=latestnewsdetail&pid=26426&pcid=44
Despite the reports claiming Kaczur has a lackadaisical approach, he's still the man to beat for the job after two seasons with significant time as a starter. The other factor in his favor, he's still a stronger pass protecter than either of the other two veterans - that will play a major role in the decision based on the potential of this season's passing offense.
While we're on the O-line, Breer had this tidbit from last week that seemed to slide by:
If true, the folks who considered 2006 a transition/re-building year may not have been too high after all.
ryan has been working with the starters for the past 3 days now. kaczur sucks, he could be a solid backup. o'callaghan looked awesome, solid in pass protection (shut down shaun ellis) and amazing in the running game.
Box-o-rocks brings up a great point. Who will function better in the zone-blocking scheme that the Pats will be implementing this year? The scheme requires strength and technique and holding your blocks (then again, what OL position doesn't?). From what I gather, Kazur is quick but lacks strength. O'Callaghan is powerful, quick for his size and had better technique than Kazur. I have also heard good things about Britt regarding his quickness and strength (6'8" 320?...my god).
I say O'Callaghan starts and Britt comes in to rotate between RT/LT and Kazur gets traded.
**yawn** Scarnecchia says "psyche!"
This rotation at RT has been a hallmark for the last three training camps. Ashworth and Gorin were always doing it with Ash the guy who usually won in Camp and Gorin the one coming off the bench and closing out the season after Ash got hurt. Kaczur, for all his sins (real or imagined), won the job back after he got healthy last season and then rotated with O'C until the Urlacher slobberknocker put O'C on the sick, lame, and lazy list. Either way the Pats will be good.
What does this have to do with it? Most O-lineman in the NFL were drafted after round 2 and how does his nationality or college conference make a difference? O-linemen come from no-name schools/small programs more than any other position in the NFL.....the fact that he is from Canada means what, that he naturally cannot be as good?
obviously the pats saw something Kazur. O'Callaghan has had injury concerns in college but is tough. I am leaning toward OC and Britt as a backup. Trade Kazur.
I am going to say Britt. I have not been impressed at all with O'Callahan and Kaczur over th past few years. I really would like to see what this kid can do as a full time starter.
I had initially thought Kaczur may be on the way out but I think he sticks, not sure if he starts but he has experience at both tackle spots and I think he could play guard in a pinch. I would rather have a quality swing T/G than a 5th or 6th round draft pick.
I think Britt has more intrinsic overal talent than either O'C or Kaczur. He can develop into a very good starting LOT, and that is a precious commodity.
It may even be hurting him. While Kaczur played LOT as a rookie in an emegency, and did OK, I think the coaches felt that he did not have much upside at that position. O'C is a natural ROT. He has the size and toughness to play that position; but that is the ONLY position taht he can play.
Kaczur may be a better Guard than either, Britt or O'C and a good but not exceptional tackle, except that the Pats have lots of good Guards.
It is a pleasant situation to be in. How much Britt is being held back because they need a spare LOT, is hard to measure. Bill has done that with other reserves who could be starters. Think Jarvis Green for example.
Britt is still young, but i see him following that career path. There is a difference however. Light is a good but not great LOT. OTOH, Seymour is the best Defensive Lineman in the league. Britt might eventually pass Light by and start; whereas Jarvis has a much tougher row to hoe.
Yesterday Nick took the reps with the first team and did well. That really means nothing as to who will be the starter on opening day.
Who starts the 3rd pre-season game will be a better indicator. That is when who ever has won the battle will be given the reps. It's a great spot to be in as you can't really have too many good big uglies.
I don't know if this is what you meant, but you do know O'C has only been here a year, right? And how could you not have been impressed with his performance, albeit limited, last year?
I'm not sure that makes sense. If a RT plays for a year as the starter, he'll need to have or need to develop the countermoves and recognition to control a speed rusher. While the best rushers are saved for the blindside, an opposing coach knows if the RT cannot stop a speed rusher, to move the rushers around to take advantage. We see that all the time with Jason Taylor switching sides. The Colts have two good speed rushers in Freeney and Mathis and they've been known to switch.
I would think the difference between a LT and a RT, is tendency rather than limitation. A LT tends to be the more agile blocker and a RT more powerful, but each should be able to do the other's job. I'm no OL expert, but that seems to make sense.
My concern about O'C is his durability -- the issue of concussions.
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