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Bill Russell was the best player on teams that won 11 rings and Brady has twice as many votes right now. Who can vote for Brady over Bill Russell? Wow.
Orr. He not only dominated his sport...like many others in the poll did, but Orr also literally revolutionized his sport. I agree with the other poster, most in here may be too young to remember him, but before he came along, no defenseman scored like he did, and no defenseman controlled his teams offense like he did. And, his speed, and moves...well, just unreal. I have a VCR tape of his best goals, and its crazy.
then, in order, I would say Williams, greatest hitter ever, then Bird, greatest all around b-ball player ever, then Russell. After he retires Brady could be top 5 for me, but I dont' think he will beat out Orr, Ted or Bird for top 3 in my book.
Russell, Orr, Williams, Brady and Bird in no specific order... all are amongst the greats of all time, and all bring different, but similar things to their respective arenas.. very close vote, but have to go with Russell..
Has to be Teddy Ballgame IMO. Hitting a baseball is the hardest thing to do in sports and to get a hit 4 out of 10 times against the best the world has to offer is simply amazing. Can you imagine his stats if not for the (was in 2 year) layoff in his career?
Longtime, well, second time, but this thread inspired me to jump as I've been debating (with myself) the semantics re: this very question.
Cause Belichick has become my all-time favorite Boston __________.
I know "athlete" doesn't work here. Maybe "sports figure"? But that doesn't quite capture it either. In football, coaches are so much more involved in the play itself.
Especially the best one ever.
Coaches in other sports have increasingly insinuated themselves into their games, calling every pitch, calling every play IN BASKETBALL! (How many plays can there be? What would poor KC Jones have done?) But in football it's always been utterly necessary, too much timing, coordination, and strategy. And all those plays!
And practice seems far more a part of the game itself. An entire week for each contest, mimicking opposing players and plays, the connection between good weeks of practice and good games played.
Considering this and more, hard to not be in awe of the man after we've somehow won so many close, high stakes contests in which we've almost always seemed out manned. Before this year of course.
AND during the salary cap era. It drives me a little nuts that everyone always says the salary cap parity should've made dynasties no longer possible. But evening the talent makes coaching even more significant. Teams can no longer ride the same great players year after year, but if you're coaching staff is better than everyone else's... well, we know the result.
Plus running the show from top to bottom (humbly, I would add for the many ignorant haters)... and the Pats record in this era... and, for those of us older than 23, it's the friggin Pats for god's sake!
I know he's not an athlete, per se, but I want a list where he sits at or near the top, among Orr and Williams and Russell and Larry, not in a separate list where he kicks Dave Galvin's ass or something.
So I guess I'm voting "other"
No other votes for Williams? Seriously?
Williams is either the best or second best hitter in baseball EVER. The only one that even comes close is Ruth, and you can argue Williams was better (more competitive era, lost 5 prime years to war, no lineup protection). He was voted on for MVP every single year of his career, while playing on some dreadful Boston teams. Excluding his 1959 season, every single year of his career, was at worst equal to what Alex Rodriguez did this year, or what Pujols has done the last few years. His career average for ops/slug/obp is probably comparable to any other players career highs (minus Ruth).
To put it another way, Williams and Ruth are to baseball what Gretzky and Lemieux are to hockey. Bird Brady Russell and everyone else were great, but what was normal for Williams is what the elite players of today might expect to do maybe once or twice in their career. Maybe. His career OPS+ (a baseball stat that shows how well of a hitter you are in contrast to your era) is higher than any active player has ever had as a career high. This is like Brady having a higher career quarterback rating than any other player ever hitting for one season.
Williams easy, followed by Russell / Bird / Brady, in that order. Yaz Rice and Clemens shouldn't even be options.
Ted missed 43,44,and 45 and played 6 games in 52 and 37 in 53.
Ted missed 43,44,and 45 and played 6 games in 52 and 37 in 53.