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What Player is the biggest FA or Trade Bust in the Belichick era??

  1. Adalius Thomas

    30 vote(s)
    41.1%
  2. Derrick Burgess

    8 vote(s)
    11.0%
  3. Joey Galloway

    13 vote(s)
    17.8%
  4. Shaun Springs

    3 vote(s)
    4.1%
  5. Donald Hayes

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  6. Duane Starks

    12 vote(s)
    16.4%
  7. Monty Beisel

    6 vote(s)
    8.2%
  8. Steve Martin

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Chris Baker

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Chad Brown

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Sean Pa Patriot

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    Who do you think has been the biggest bust for the Patriots in either trade or FA pick up in the Belichick Era , hands down would have to be Adalius Thomas...
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    Joey Galloway has to be a consideration.
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    in terms of difference between expectation and reality, duane starks.....hands down
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    For the $$ he is getting... It's Thomas and it's not even close at all. He is terrible.
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    Not sure he is terrible, but is certainly not very good value for the money...
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    thomas has at least made some plays.......when starks was out there, the pats were literally playing with 10 players. he was worse than horrible
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    Why is Chris Baker on this list?
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    Well I feel he signed a 5 year deal and was a red zone target with the jets.. Plus I was running out of people:D
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    Because he has completely disappeared since his TD catch against the Falcons some 11 weeks ago?
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    For this year, I would have to put my money on Burgess, even though Galloway contributed less. They needed Burgess as part of this team more, as a veteran leader and pass rush presence, and so far he has been a complete bust. Galloway would have been nice to have and would have and would have taken pressure off Moss, Welker, and "the rest," but this passing offense can still operate without them. This passing defense needed Burgess to deliver. The thing is, I remember being at Gillette the night of the in-stadium STH practice in August. As I was going in, I got a tweet about the Pats trading for a "veteran defensive player," which then turned into "The Pats have acquired Derrick Burgess." How excited we were!

    Overall though, Thomas takes the cake. He was supposed to come in here and be the next in line behind Vrabel, McGinest, Bruschi, etc. and has seen his production drop off from Year 1 to Year 2 and now to Year 3, where he has been virtually invisible before and especially after his benching. To make matters worse, he seems to be turning into a bit of a locker room malcontent. He'll be one of the first to go come February. Hopefully the Pats can get something for him, and hopefully they'll be able to absorb the cap impact.

    Hopefully Burgess will be the second to go in February. Then Springs.
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    So? He played 43 snaps against the Dolphins, while Watson played 46 snaps. Clearly production from both TE's is down, and one would guess it's because they're being kept in to block.

    And even so, Baker isn't even in the same ballpark as some of these other guys. Sorry.
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    I agree, but he's not performing up to expectations.
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    Considering what we gave up for him, and the high expectations, I would have to say Burgess. I hardly ever hear his name called for making a tackle.
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    Well, fine. But you'd have to be crazy to vote for him next to some of the other names on the list.

    As for me, I'd probably say Burgess or Galloway for this season.
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    Yep. It's all about the $$ and investment.

    Others have been worse but the hit wasn't so drastic.
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    Burgess gets my vote, I was excited when this trade went down and I hoped he would replace the loss of Vrabel.
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    Thomas isn't as bad as burgess, but he gets paid more and the expectations were higher, so it's him

    Burgess gets stoned by the tackle pretty much every play, anything he had is gone.

    Galloway was a 38 year old wideout, his bust rate really would be pretty high.
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    Who's expectations has Baker not lived up to? The Fans expectations, which tend to be extremely unrealistic, or Bill Belichick's? One of the things that I have noticed is that Baker has had to pull a LOT more blocking assignments lately than he did earlier in the year. Same with Watson.

    Also, Baker's deal was a 2+3 deal. Not a true 5 year deal.
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    Contractual.
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    At least most of those players were on the field. Donald Hayes was such a bust that he hardly ever lined up.
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    Thomas doesn't even belong on this list. His first season, he was a force when healthy. His second year, he was a difference maker when healthy. This year he's struggling. However, a free agent who had 2 quality seasons is not a 'bust' in the order of a Starks, Beisel, Brown, Hayes, etc....
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    Thomas has played well when healthy in previous years and he only is costing cap dollars. Burgess on the other hand has been completely invisible and he cost cap dollars+ picks..a 3rd round pick, which is a high price for such a piece of crap failure IMO.

    They would have been better off keeping the pick and starting Woods, who I know can't do jack at the position.
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    Why? He was given two games to be in perfect sync with a new offense playing with a new quarterback at 38. He burned his man and could have saved us the Jets game had Brady put the ball within 10 yards of him. After that, he was benched. The team could have figured out ways to use him in this offense and the lack of a big play guy on the other side of Moss has severely crippled us in the past two games when opposing defenses have double covered both #83 and #81 in crunch time.

    Agreed. Thomas is by no means terrible. He is not, however, earning the amount of money that the team is paying him this season. If the team can let Seymour go for monetary purposes, they can let Thomas go this offseason if he continues to be a ghost on game day.

    I have nightmares about Duane Starks, so I think I'll have to go with him. Deltha O'Neal should also be a consideration as well.
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    i can see both him and seymour going to the jets...
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    Monty beisel gets my vote .
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    AD just because he teased us early on but he's dissapeard.
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    :mad:Thomas, another example of a Raven's linebacker that fell flat on his face after leaving Baltimore......
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    Why is Deltha O'neal not an option?
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    He was a last-second desperation signing.
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    will if you look at that list its full of guys like

    springs

    galloway

    brown

    all over the hill player that have not been the same guys they once where for the last 2 or 3 years befor the pats signed them i don't call dose bust i call them bad signing's

    they got lucky with harrison and ted washington cause they still had someting left in the tank


    and all the other guys are JAG's so if you was looking for them to be good players you was looking for to much

    mike vrabel is the only JAG that the pats have ever signed that turned in to a star


    guys like TBC Brandon McGowan and david patten are haveing or had some nice seasons for the pats but none of them are or was stars

    rosie colvin and AD are the only young all pro FA the pats have ever signed

    even colvin never had the same years with the pats that he had with the bears but he was a good player for the pats

    AD had one good year for a team that had 3 pass rushers better then him and now we are looking for him to be the the star pass rusher on a team that has none

    i can't call AD a bust but not liveing up to the hype yes


    the reason signing JAG's and over the hill players worked for them in the past is

    they had seymour to eat up the double team's

    they had a top pass rusher in willy mac

    they had run stopers in teddy b and ted johnson

    they had a shutdown corner in ty law

    they had a big time S in lawyer milloy

    so all the 7th round pick's and over the hill player and JAG's did not need to cover the other team's best WR or be the top pass rusher on the team

    the glory years are over dose player are long gone and now they are asking the JAG's and 7th round pick's and over the hill player to be stars and its noting going to work
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