Discussion in 'Political Discussion' started by Patters, Sep 7, 2012.
And how come?
How come is because neither convention laid out their plans. Obama said he needs 4 more years and used straw man arguments all night. romney basically said we will do this - elect me and I'll show you how.
They both sucked, and in my opinion the only way to call either of them a winner is if you are blindly partisan.
I mean come on! Did they really address how to fix America? Nope, just more pretty speeches and tearing down the other guy. But, hat seems to be what America wants so...
Um...who cares? The Bounces won't matter in a few weeks anyways. The debates have far more influence.
The nations is pretty polarized, there are very many undecided voters at this point. Not many people to bounce.
Agreed, and that will be the end for Mittens. He'll get completely dominated on the same stage.
But then, some people believe Palin beat Biden, so there we are.
And thats what they said about Mitt Romney in the Republican debates...ooops :singing:
Really? Who said that? ... Certainly not me, nor anyone I know. Did you actually SEE the row of clowns on that stage? He basically ran uncontested.
Row of Clowns? Newt Gingrich is a clown? Huntsman is a clown? Santorum is a clown? If you look at Gingrich, Romney, Huntsman, and Santorum....all are well educated and all are intelligent.
You may not agree with their positions but to refer to them as "clowns" is partisan nonsense.
They are clowns... no matter how much you want them to be different.
Huntsman never really had a chance, and bowed out early.
Gingrich is a clown, never met a skirt he did not chase, but wait a minute he found the Catholic Church and married Calista so all is good. He was drummed out of the House after a scathing ethics scandal(even the Republicans agreed with it)...
Santorum is an extremist, who has a madrassas in his living room. He never would have appealed to a very large group of people, his views are very limited and extreme, thus he appeals to a small group of extremists..
I actually doubt it. Don't get me wrong, Obama is a good debater, but he's in a far different position this time around. He'll actually have to defend his policy, which for a large portion of the peoples, are not very popular. He can't just stand up there and say "I am the way... and I am the light" like he did last time.
Mitt just has to not make any glaring errors and keep hammering on Obama's unpopular policy moves like Obamacare (as one example).
I can't answer the question because I did not watch 1 second of either convention....and I'm actually quite proud of myself too!
who the hell cares?
Romney needs a vacation to his home base.
Post convention bounces dissipate in a couple of weeks so they really don't matter. Romney's was limited because of the storm; I think RCP's average had him gain a point, maybe two. I think Obama will get more than "a point, maybe two" because of the Clinton speech and because there were no competing stories.
But, I think they will be virtually tied (i.e., within two points on the RCP average) at the time of the first debate. IMO, the outcome won't be settled until the end of October.
In my lifetime I have never ever seen these two partys so far apart, never.
Interesting take PFS74, and one I agree with theme wise.
I do find the bolded part ironic if nothing else. A potential Obama bump coming on the heels of the convention as a result of a speech (which I assume was good) by an former POTUS who would have next to no impact on what the current POTUS would do if reelected (unless of course Billy is taking on a cabinet position in the 2nd term Obama admin).
I get by with a little help from my friends...
No real bounce happens without real substance.
I'd have said Obama would get a slightly better bounce, but then I saw this mornings job report. Eww...
BTW, another jobs report or two like that, and the debates won't matter.
The Clinton-effect is, I agree, improbable. But, he somehow has a 69% Favorable rating now and so I think he probably moved a few folks as part of the bounce. The effect will, however, dissipate, as all convention-related boosts do. Personally, I thought he held back and muted his attacks on Bush 43, perhaps because of the unwritten rules of engagement among former presidents. I heard him speak to a small group at an event just a couple of weeks ago and he was far more passionate...and convincing.
I, too, am curious as to what he asked for in return for the speech. He's enjoying his life way too much to be tied down to a cabinet post. He is, however, obsessed with his legacy, so maybe he wants to be given a highly visible portfolio as an Ambassador at Large in an Obama Second Term. Or, maybe he asked for something for Hillary. We might never know.
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