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    There are alot of players on this roster that have never won but deserve one and there are those that have one but their contributions merit another one.

    I always said it was a travesty that Moss doesn't have one so if we don't make the Superbowl this year and the 49ers do then i hope they win so he gets one to end his career on.

    As for our roster who would that player be for you? I know that alot of you will say Wes but personally I think Big Vince 110% deserves another for all he has done and being the true leader and heartbeat of our D. Highly highly consistent player at an elite level and whilst i'm glad he got one in '04 i think due to the heartbreaks of 07 and last season where he was the real leader on D in both SB losses that another one would be justice for him.
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    No one deserves anything. But if I had to pick one, Brian Waters.
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    Brady and Belichick.

    Maybe Welker.
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    You only deserve a ring by going out and earning one. Playing well, and contributing to something less than a Championship team does not make you deserving of a Championship you didn't earn.
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    Why say that? Vince was immense against the Giants TWICE and that **** we call a secondary let him down despite the 'win together lose together' mentality in press conferences.
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    Thats what win together lose together means:confused:
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    I'm not having that sorry, Brady and the offense puts you in a position to win with barely any time left, the D gets huge pressure on Eli and he's virtually sacked and just lobs it up and you somehow let a scrub receiver catch it off his helmet? That's not on the D-Line that's on the secondary just like last February also.
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    Stephen Gostkowski. But he needs to boot a couple of big ones in well, the big one. A clutch, game on the line situation. He's not considered elite, nor is he known for his leg strength. He's reliable, but not spectacular, and that's exactly how Vinatieri was for us in his first few years on the team. Gostkowski needs a ring, and a game won by his leg to get out of Vinatieri's shadow. Every time he's mentioned, it's about how much he's going to have to do to replace #4.

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    If you want to blame someone on that last drive, i'd go with ninkovich for going offside on 3rd and 7, making it 3rd and 2. However, the Giants still had to make a play and they did. It's easy to blame the secondary as a whole and there's so many what ifs. But you have to accept the close wins as well as the close losses. Tuck rule anyone?

    It is what it is. That's what BB preaches, TB preaches, the whole team preaches and life preaches. Otherwise, your life is just sad and full of what ifs and regrets. Learn from the past, live in the present and hope for the future.
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    I never look back but just merely stating that it was the secondary that gave up both ridiculous catches against the Giants in both SB's.

    As for the future, i got us booked for the SB and in all likelihood if the D keeps progressing nicely then winning it also. Last year i wasn't saying this.
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    Everybody hears about Janikowski and Akers and even Prater last year. But go outside of New England and nobody says he's top 5.
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    I align myself with those in this thread who have said that no one "deserves" a ring.

    The players who make the plays and win the game are those who "deserve" the ring. I remember how mad I got after SB XXXVI when haters said that Brady and the Pats didn't "deserve" the Lombardi, while Warner and Faulk and even the Raiders did.

    I have a lot more empathy for great players who play for teams that aren't quite good enough to get to the SB and so never even get a chance to play in the big game than I do for players who get there and, for whatever reason, come up short.

    Earl Campbell, Eric Dickerson, Deacon Jones and Barry Sanders are all greats and HOF'ers who never even played in the big game. If rings were a matter of "deserving," I'd say that any one of them "deserves" it more than any player on the Pats who's never won one.

    Every member of this year's Pats team who played in SB XLII or XLVI had a (very good) chance to win one, but didn't. 2012 isn't a matter of "deserving" it for any of them; it's another chance to win one and, therefore, deserve it.
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    I digressed. LOL. But basically, my point was that they giants still had to execute and they did.
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    I would say 7th all time in FG% is elite. Not his fault he has not had a chance to win the big one. Besides AV do you know how many kickers have had a "big" one in the big one. Yeah 3 (Jim O'brien and Scott Norwood).

    You become spectacular by having a lot of game winning attempts. During AV years the Pats played a lot more close games.

    I never hear AV mentioned anymore when talking about Gostkowski.
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    The guy was Super Bowl MVP and I think also set some marginal Super Bowl receiving records, despite never being good enough to make a Pro Bowl. Congrats to him for all his richly-deserved success, but he wouldn't top my list. ;)
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    I'll say Welker, not just for his athletic merit, but because the team isn't going out of its way to overpay him.

    At least let him get the ultimate competitive payoff for his efforts.

    That said -- he personally had the chance already to make a tough catch and get his ring.
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    I'm sorry. I just see this differently.

    It's not just a "press conference" mentality that a team took the field that day and a team lost. I don't buy any of this "who 'let down' whom" stuff when it comes to Championships. Pretty soon we're blaming the water boys.

    On the other side of the ball, a team took the field and players, some likely and some unlikely, made plays in SB's XLII and XLVI. That's all there is to it in my mind. They deserved it as a team; we didn't.

    Can we just move on?
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    Yep. And that's all she wrote.
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    7th all time is deceptive. He's only kicked 165 field goals in his career. No, you're right. The Pats usually don't need him to make that clutch game winner. Maybe he shouldn't have that opportunity then... Wouldn't want to have him pull a Billy Cundiff.
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    And let's not even mention the gut kick momentum killer of taking a safety on the first play from scrimmage when the D had just stuffed the Giants. I agree with you 100%, there is no point to such discussions. They are a waste of time and denigrate the game.

    Opening day anyone?
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    I dunno. I'm not sure how you decide a K is "elite." Seventh in Career FG% puts him behind Kaeding, Vanderjagt, Bironas, Graham, Gould and Hartley. Are they all elite? He's way down the list in FG's made (82nd), but that only says he's only played six seasons and plays for a team that tends to put the ball in the End Zone. He's been nearly flawless in PAT% (fifth all time) but he's way down the list of PAT's made (74th) too because of his young age.

    So, I guess I'd say about Gostkowski that I'm damn glad he's the Pat's K, that I'm never nervous when he comes on to tack on the PAT, but that the jury is out on what he would do if everything was on the line in February (which is not to say he wouldn't nail it).

    I do know that Number Four is going to Canton, however much or little we hear about him.

    Not only has he put up solid numbers (eighth in career FG's made and 13th in career FG% over a 16 year career), but he made what is regarded as the greatest Kick under pressure in the history of the NFL (that breathtaking 45 yarder into a gale of a frozen ball that just dove over the cross bar and dropped like a rock three feet later sending the Snow Bowl into OT) and then went on to make the game winner in that game as well as in two SB's with time running out or down.

    He might have had chances that others didn't or haven't, but when he had them he got the job done. How else do you measure greatness?

    And, to answer your question, Number Four was the first person to kick a walk-off SB winner and, while there were a couple of seconds on the clock when he kicked his second one, he effectively repeated the feat. With those kicks, his stats and four rings, he is in a class by himself as a Kicker.
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    wow. All I was saying is that Gostkowski deserves way more credit than he gets. I personally do believe he is an elite kicker, but my point was that he doesn't get widely recognized as such.
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    But the "recognition" comment was in the context of what I regard as the absurd premise of this thread that someone can "deserve" a ring. That was what I was responding to and why I responded as I did.

    He might or might not be "elite." I just don't know how you measure that for a K other than after at least ten seasons.
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    Every man on the Pats 53 player roster deserves a ring.

    But if I had to single out one player- Welker.
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