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    What should be counted as a war death vs. just a straight homocide isn't that clear. I'm not sure I'd count them either. They may be due to the removal of Hussein but they aren't actual war deaths.

    BTW, if you're counting deaths in the way you want you also need to subtract the innocent deaths that would have occured under Hussein's regime to get an accurate count of net deaths due to the war.
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    yes of course... because we all know there were dozens of car bombings going off each day when Hussein was in power...

    yes, let's minimize the number down as far as we can and pretend things aren't so bad in Iraq...
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    Everyday I read about mass deaths due to suicide bombers in Iraq. Then our gifted President assures us that casualties are way down in Iraq. Of course, I believe him.
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    You need a consistent metric to have honest results. It sounds like this administration doesn't want to report the truth.

    The problem here is we've always used anti-Saddam dissident groups as the basis for our information. Not only did they provide us with some of our faulty intelligence, there is evidence that much of their other info is fabricated. How would you go about estimating what innocent people Saddam really killed? Who would you trust?
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    Were any of you reading the article, or just the headline and first couple of lines?

    It's amazing how many of you are hoping for bad news to come out of Iraq. Look, it sucks that we're there, but we are, and people should hope that this surge helps the situation because lives are at stake. Both American and Iraqi lives. So far, we're seeing that there is some progress, yet, some in here, and amazingly, in our government, are publically declaring we've lost. I'm still amazed that Harry Reid would ever say such a thing. Sorry, but that's dispicable.

    Bush administration officials have pointed to a dramatic decline in one category of deaths - the bodies dumped daily in Baghdad streets, which officials call sectarian murders - as evidence that the security plan is working. Bush said this week that that number had declined by 50 percent, a number confirmed by statistics compiled by McClatchy Newspapers.

    But the number of people killed in explosive attacks is rising, the same statistics show - up from 323 in March, the first full month of the security plan, to 365 through April 24.


    Overall, statistics indicate that the number of violent deaths has declined significantly since December, when 1,391 people died in Baghdad, either executed and found dead on the street or killed by bomb blasts. That number was 796 in March and 691 through April 24.



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    According to the statistics, which McClatchy reporters in Baghdad compile daily from Iraqi police reports, 1,030 bodies were found in December. In January, that number declined 32 percent, to 699. It declined to 596 February and again to 473 in March.


    Deaths from car bombings and improvised explosive devices, however, increased from 361 in December to a peak of 520 in February before dropping to 323 in March.
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    I'm not saying there is a good number. But to take the total deaths in Iraq as the Net Death number is wrong unless there was no killing of innocents under Hussein - which I don't think anyone believes to be true.
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    Ok, then let's count all the unnatural deaths and subtract from it the average annual murder rate under Saddam's regime. That would get us a more accurate picture than just not counting car bombs.
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    That's fine.
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    How would we know what the murder rate was? Would that count the people who simply disappeared too?
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    Sure, why not. Or you can just report on the current raw statistics, the total number of deaths, including car bombs. Nobody thinks that nobody got killed under Saddam, but now we should know how many people are getting killed under our regime.
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    Sure we know how many are dying now but it's meaningless as an argument o how much we did/didn't screw over Iraquis without a fairly accurate picture of what was going on before.
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    The facts are that the Iraq's are still dying in large numbers. The violence has simply shifted away from Bagdahd and into the rural areas. This is a logical result of insurgients retreating from the 'Surge" and simply shifting their targets to more rural areas. They have not stopped...simply moved.

    General "Stonewall" Petreus has created an artificial metric simply to justify progress in this effort. In the mean time US casualties are way up and any real progress toward Iraqi self governence has stopped.

    "Stay The Course" Foggy
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    They are reporting the figures. Also, the press reports the figures. Read the article again, and read the MSM articles coming out of Iraq. The deaths are all reported. Beyond that, most articles cite the discrepincies in their sources figures. They'll say the Defense Dept claimed 10.....the morgue in Dilayia reported 13.....Most articles cite any discrepincies.

    That being said, of course we should know how many lives are being lost. I wouldn't want anything but the truth.
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    Alien abductions don't count!
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