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  1. mgteich

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    1) There is no reason or room for four tight ends.
    2) The third tight end needs to perform another function.
    3) Chris Baker, touchdown maker, is our starter, a lock and our future. He is the only tight end signed past 2009.
    4) Watson is probably the 2nd best talent and a reasonable #2.
    5) Smith is probably a reasonable #2, but he hasn't shown that yet.
    6) Wendy is a perfect #3. He can start if needed in the 1 TE set or the 2 TE set. He can play fullback in the few series where we need one.
    7) DeVree is camp fodder and an emergency option. Is he eligible for the Practice Squad?
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    DeVree is eligible for the Practice Squad; he played in two games last year and the PS limit is nine games.
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    We do have reason and room for 4 tight ends seeing as we don't have a FB on the roster.

    I'd keep four, although if Watson is traded (to KC maybe?) it wouldn't be a huge surprise.
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    I agree with everything but #1 and the entire premise of this thread. ;)

    I think with Thomas lined up a few times in the H-back role, we're seeing BB's 2009 plans to use the TEs to essentially take the place of Heath Evans role (minus the occasional worthless carry where Evans ambles forward and falls at first contact.)

    I won't be surprised at all to see them keep 4 TEs; what I think will be (mildly) surprising is if one of those TEs is DeVree and BB trades one of the other four to recoup that 5th.
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    Baker starts, Smith and Thomas off the bench, plus Thomas sees action as short-yardage FB. Watson is traded for a pick. Probably to KC. Probably for something involving a 5th that we can give to Oakland for Burgess. :)
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    DeVree will most likely head to the PS. Baker and Watson will be there (unless he's traded-KC?), so it comes down to Smith and Thomas. After the first game I have to give the nod to Thomas, since he did a pretty good job at FB against the Eagles, and we don't have one. We'll have to see how those two fare in the next game.
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    I was thinking along the same lines on both of these thoughts.
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    its easy to look at the situation, which was laid out well by the OP, and say "keep 4". However, if you think that, you are looking in a vacuum.

    After an OLB goes down, you'll wish Peas had an extra player on the roster to work in.
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    I dont think if we keep one less TE it would equate to an extra LB....I think we will keep an extra player at either TE or RB due to no FB.
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    how does a FB play into this offense other than goaline / 4th & inches packages? Can't hochstein just do that? Unless there is a Sam Gash somewhere, I don't get excited about it.
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    Anyone think it could end up being Baker/Watson/Thomas? I never would have predicted that, but if we go 3 TE's (my guess is we will) Smith could actually be the odd man out, performance-wise.
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    Hochstein is a candidate for it sure....but I am not concerned with the who will do it because there are canidates but I just didn't see the logic in one less spot on offense for one extra spot on D...someone will be taking on the FB reps and risking injury on those plays so it is logical to think they would have an extra player to back up whatever position takes on the role be it OL, TE, or RB.


    I suppose every Offensive position could have the same number (depth wise) as last year and no FB giving an extra roster spot to D or STs. (not that every year the same depth is carried at each position)
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    Why no room? Doesn't BB generally flex the numbers of positon players based on needs and mix? He's carried 4 QBs and 2, 4 WRS and 7, 6 CBS and only 3 one year.

    As far as a reason, there are two that I cna think of off the top of my head.

    1) FB (not having a dedicated one opens room (see above)
    2) KO returns new rules (wedge).
    3) BB has a habit of keeping the best players regardless of position at the lower end of the roster.

    There, that's one more than I thought was on the top of my head. Guess the lack of hair allows room for more thoughts :eek:
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    Given the amount of teams using more than two-WR for most of their plays, the nickelback has increased in importance while the FB has become a non-necessity.
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    FWIW, I had been thinking 4 TEs until I sat down last night and tried to map out my 53. There turned out to be much greater incremental value in other spots. (I "cut" Alex Smith.)
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    Not sure that KC would want Watson.. But its a possibility..
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    I's say Smith is the odd man out if we only keep 3 but I still wouldn't rule out keeping 4. Whatever he decides, I'm sure BB will have each player fill a particular role, ie...FB, H-Back, TE, etc...

    The question will likely come down to the 4th TE vs the 6th WR. I really like Aiken but I think Edelman has stolen his spot as the #5. It's important to have somebody who can spell Welker on occasion. The fact that he seems to be making great strides as a punt returner makes him a virtual lock.

    It's going to be extremely difficult getting this roster down to 53 while holding onto specific guys on the PS. I think our initial PS is going to get picked clean. It's too bad O'Connel doesn't appear ready for the #2 spot. It sure would be nice if we could only keep 2 QB's.
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    Baker

    Watson

    Smith

    Thomas plays Full back or H-back, if not Smith goes and Thomas takes his place.
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    yea, def need four tight ends boys

    baker, thomas for sure, watson(if not traded), then ??? we will find out in the next few preseason games
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    I don't see the need for 4 TEs..

    Smith wasn't impressive in the game against Philly.. In fact, he was pretty bad with his blocking..

    Thomas and Baker were very good with their blocking.. Hochstein could also be a FB. That is the position he played most last year..
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    I agree that we COULD cut the captain of our special teams units is order to keep a #4 TE. I just think it is a lousy idea.

    We will have four wide receivers: Moss, Welker, Galloway and Edleman.
    We will have two special teamers who are emergency wide receivers: Aiken and Lewis.

    I am fine with Watson or Smith as the #2. As of now, Smith would be the odd man out.

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    This seems exactly right, except I could see Watson being traded for a 4th or 5th rounder, saving Smith.

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    Here's a bit of a surprise: Alex Smith has a decidedly higher salary than Watson.

    That's one reason to forecast Watson as the survivor between the two of them.
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    Why yes, yes it could...
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    I'd see it the other way..that Belichick went and gave Alex Smith more money, and also gave Baker a very long contract, signals that Watson is not coming back.
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    We would need to actually have an extra linebacker.

    Not complaining!! I like what we have at LB but don't think the TE situation impacts it. I don't see what 4 TEs offers barring injury. No problem if we've got the space, though.

    I like Baker, but they all could help out, just not if one is just extra baggage. Not like you can't pick up a 4th tight end someplace if needed.

    BB had something in mind. I thought that Thomas had a chronic foot problem, but it seems that's not so. Could just be BB's overcompensating due to luck, injury problems at that position.

    Watson = talented, Thomas = hard working, Smith = decent NFL tight end, but Baker = reall good looking TE and starter IMO.
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    If Maroney and Taylor work out as a team, as their styles suggest, I could see Morris playing some FB, giving the possibility of a run, receiving option too.
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    Here's an exercise to try...to get down to 53, you have to cut 5 of the following:

    Rich Ohrnberger
    Ryan Wendell
    Russ Hochstein
    Myron Pryor
    Mike Wright
    Jarvis Green
    Tully Banta-Cain
    Shawn Crable
    Paris Lenon
    Brandon McGowan
    Sam Aiken
    Ray Ventrone
    Matt Slater
    4th Tight End
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    Wow that was a really bad decision, BB wont make that mistake, actually I dont think Rich Kotite makes that call. Can you explain what you were dr...thinking.?:(
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