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    Well according to Pro Football Weekly, it's the NE Patriots.

    They rank Rodney as #5.:rocker: That is in spite of the "devasting" injury he suffered. So, they must think that he will be back at near full capability. Which i have been saying all along.

    And they rank Gino as #18.

    The only other team that is remotely close is Minn with Sharper and the newly aquired Hank Williams.
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    It's actually Darren Sharper and Tank Williams. I wouldn't say that's near the best, either.
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    Yes, I just edited that. Sharper ranked #6. Williams not given a rank other than "top veteran".
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    can you please list the full rankings in order? i want to give my opinions on them :)

    thanks
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    OK. Just the Safeties. It wouldb e too much to list all the other positions and the top 50 overall, regardless of position. Brady is #1 on that list plus QB's.

    1. Ed Reed
    2. Polamalu
    3.Brian Dawkins
    4.Darius
    5.Rodney:rocker:
    6.Sharper
    7.Lynch
    8.Roy Williams
    9.bob Sanders
    10.Archuleta
    11. Adrian Wilson
    12. Mike Brown
    13.Chavous
    14.tony Parrish
    15.Michael Lewis
    16.Gino:rocker:
    17.Sean Taylor
    18.Michael Boulware
    19.Dwight Smith
    20.Chris Hope
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    Am I the only guy that thinks Troy Palamalu is seriously overrated?

    I don't think his cover skills or his hands are anything out of the ordinary, and I don't think he hits harder than a Rodney or Lynch.

    I just think that people want to talk him up a bit because he is on the defense which was #1 before he got there, and will probably be #1 after he is gone.

    He is a solid player, but I think that he gets a lot of hype and I'm not sure I would put him at #2 on the list. The Steelers have a lot of things working well on their defense, and I think a few safeties would look good back there.
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    I don't think he is over rated at all. I don't watch any other teams players very closely...but I have seen a few Pitt games and he is one of the few players I actually enjoy watching on the squeelers. The guy is everywhere making plays, and I am not talking about the "Ray Lewis" pile on celebration plays either. I also don't think he gets crazy with the "celebrations" either which I like. Not sure if he hits hard, I seem to remeber a few good hits...of course not like Rodney but few do so I'm not holding anybody to Rodneys standard of a hard hit as that isn't fair as that is far and away his calling card.
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    Does Bob Sanders HONESTLY deserve to be #9?

    Polamalu looked great in a few games I saw him play in...forgetting the Pats pounding the Steelers in that AFC Title game. Would I love to have him on my team? Yes. Geez that Colts game, he was all over the place. I think he came close to making some very hard interceptions. If he snagged all of them he problably could have picked off Manning three times including not getting his INT taken away.

    I think Rodney hits harder than anyone, hes just awesome. Some of his hard hitting skills have spread through Geno as well. If I were a reciever I'd be scared to try to catch a ball in the middle of the field, near them. I cant wait to see Rodney back, even if we do have to wait a few weeks into the season.
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    thats a bad list.
    Sean Taylor at 17? Hes better than Gino..and better or just as good as Polamalu. Sanders too high. Gibril Wilson needs to be on the list as does Mike Minter. my list of top safeties

    1. Ed Reed
    2. Brian Dawkins
    3. Darren Sharper
    4. Rodney Harrison
    5. Sean Taylor
    6. Troy Polamalu
    7. Roy Williams
    8. Donovan Darius
    9. Mike Minter
    10. Corey Chavous
    11. Mike Brown
    12. John Lynch
    13. Adrian Wilson
    14. Tony Parrish
    15. Gibril Wilson
    16. Eugene Wilson
    17. Bob Sanders
    18. Michael Lewis
    19. Erik Coleman
    20. Michael Boulware
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    What I'm getting at is more that Polamalu has been hyped as THE safety ever since he was drafted, and I don't see him as a Hall of Fame type player. He is good enough to be a top 5 safety this year, but I don't feel like he is the reason the Steelers have a great defense. I think Rodney came in here and made a huge difference for our defense, really elevating us to a higher level. I see Troy more as a solid addition to a long-standing #1 defense. I think they would be a #1 defense with a few other safeties as well. I don't see any safeties that would have helped our defense as much as Rodney did in 2003. I think that Rodney was more dangerous and 'all over the field' in 2003 and 2004 than anything I've witnessed from Troy.

    I think that Troy might look different on a lesser defense. Part of it is the fact that I feel like Rodney was cheated out of two pro-bowls by bias against him, and Troy seems to be hyped to be the best of the best. I would rather have a healthy Rodney any day.
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    Mitner is listed as 'past his prime". Coleman was listed as 'others",meaning he was in the top 25. Gibril wilson was not named at all.

    Lawyer Millory was listed as 'past his prime".
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    How the hell is Donovan Darius THAT high? (#4)
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    I don't know. According PFW these rating are suppose to be a "consensus of opinions from, scouts,personnel directors,general managers, and PFW writers.

    So, it's an opinion and you know what they say about opinions.
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    If Brian Dawkins is higher than Rodney AND Michael Lewis is higher than Wilson, then Pro Football Weekly is saying that the Eagles have the best starting safeties.

    Keeping it real,

    Miguel
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    You are right ole eagle eye. Thanks for pointing that out. I can't delete the thread now so:

    NEW THEAD TITLE: WHICH TEAM HAS THE 2nd BEST RANKED SAFETIES ACCORDING TO PFW?

    But I think Rodney is better than Dawkins and Gino is better than Lewis. So in my heart the Patriots have the top ranked safeties.:rocker:
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    Adam Archuleta couldnt beat out Don Davis. He is horrid.
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    what makes you think Dawkins isnt better than Harrison? Dawkins is younger and better in coverage and isnt coming off an injury. Lewis is slightly better than Gino aswell. a better comparsion would be if u put Harrison vs Lewis ( both Strong Safeties) and Dawkins vs Wilson ( Free Safeties)
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    OK. So, if we do that, then we are back to #1?

    BTW, NO ONE is better than Rodney when you look at the total package including the very important intangibles.
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    Rodney is a 'Hall of Famer' that will never get in the Hall of Fame, IMO. The other guys, including Lynch, are just safeties.

    Rodney didn't play any dirtier than any Hall of Fame safeties, and hits as hard as Ronnie Lott, IMO.

    But we live in the era of sanitized football, so guys like Ed Reed top the list.
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    were not doing career best.

    Rodney is coming off a knee injury that was very serious and is older than those safeties. im a big Harrison fan trust me..but at this time, hes not as good as Brian Dawkins and i watch both those guys play because safety is 1 of my fav. positions.

    Eagles-Patriots are neck to neck in this one..2 talented safety duos but you cant simply say were better at the position without backing much up. Lewis and Wilson looked lost last year and Harrison was hurt while Dawkins made Pro Bowl. Based on last year, Eagles were better. Based on 2-3 years ago when Rodney came, we were slightly better and looking at this year..Eagles will have the better duo because Rodney likely ownt start day 1 and their D is more improved than ours and have 2 pro bowl caliber corners while ours havent proven much.
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    Remix6: If we are going to stick with this year to stay strictly on topic, I have trouble putting Rodney anywhere on the list until he is proven to be healthy. If he spends 6 weeks on IR and returns as the #5 safety for the rest of the year, that makes him maybe #20 overall, because he misses 6 games. I think the idea of Rodney at #5 this year is not going to be accurate, and it seems to be so speculative as to not provide much insight. I just can't think of a way of ranking Rodney for this upcoming season without making some really wild guesses.

    I think #5 for Rodney is probably a really, really best case scenario at this point. I will be thrilled as hell if he is #5 overall for a whole season next year. It would be an amazing physical feat.

    One way of looking at it, however, would be if Tebucky (Sanders) plays good for a while and then Rodney comes in and replaces him (or swap T-Buck with Geno), and the overall position ends up at #5 cumulatively. But that is also way speculative. I think we have to look at our total depth to rate our safety position this year, and not consider Rodney as the most likely starter from week 1.
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    5 Rings, you are not the only one. I haven't said anything, because he improved alot last year over the year before, and I wanted to wait. His hype is better than his play. Oh, he's an excellent player, but not the first or second best in the league, like I hear many say.
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    I think he is a great hitter but he gets burned deep WAY to often for a safety. His cover skills are getting better but still not good enough to make the top 5.
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    I don't want to imply that Troy is not solid, I just look at the gold standard of safety play, which lately, has been Rodney, and Troy to me is just another of several hard hitting safeties with fairly good instincts and hands.

    The media is going to put him at number one from now on, I believe, as soon as they grow tired of hyping Ed Reed. Ed Reed might have the cover skills to play cornerback, but he is far from being an intimidator on defense.
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    I think Polamalu IS a key to the Steelers defense. Their secondary was terrible and picked on all the time before they drafted Polamalu and made other moves to shore up that defensive backfield. Let's just say if the Steelers hadn't upgraded their secondary and also have Polamalu back there I don't think they beat out the Colts in 2005, even with their very solid front 7.

    That being said I agree that Polamalu looks like he can be beat in coverage at times and he doesn't seem to hit as hard as Harrison. But he does have the advantage of being younger and not coming off injury. So I think Rodney is ranked about where he should be. I think the perhaps overly high ranking on Polamalu is due to those factors and probably the fact they want to give some props to a player on the championship team.
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    Yes, that's the point!

    Polamalu looks great for the Steelers. Their defense is based around flexibility -- weird blitzes and stunts from unexpected directions. All of which means that you have to have people who are able to do what they might not be best at. And Polamalu's all-round ability coupled with his amazing mobility makes him very valuable for them. You only have to look at how the secondary turned around after he was drafted.

    How great he is taken out of context, it's hard to say.
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    The same could be said about Roy Williams, except he has no cover skills at all and is simply the product of so much hype. Sean Taylor is ridiculously low on this list. At least everyone agrees Ed Reed is the best (and the best defensive player in the league, in my opinion).

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