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Which players will improve off 2006 performances? - Which will decline?

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  1. PATRIOTSFANINPA

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    Which players do you think will improve from their 2006 performances?...Which players do you think will decline and not be as good this year?

    DO NOT COUNT NEWLY FA SIGNINGS AS THEY HAVE NOT PLAYED A DOWN AS A PATRIOT YET.

    I will put improved performances with TOM BRADY (Better Receiving core) - ELLIS HOBBS (Won't have a cast on or wrist injury if he does not injure it again beforehand) - and IF he plays CHAD JACKSON (can he be worse than his rookie season?-only if he dies)

    I will put Declining performances on ASANTE SAMUEL (hard to duplicate his interceptions and overall coverage which was top notch,besides more often than not a player usually plays as well but not better than coming off thier best season and will probably play as well than last year but not better,its gonna be hard to be better than he was in 2006) - RECHE CALDWELL (declining stats more so because of less playing time unless 2 other WRs go down early in the year with injury like Welker and Stallworth) - and - TEDY BRUSCHI (age looks to be catching up to one of our greatest and beloved LBs in Pats history - sad but true,a further decline in his talent/skills is inevitable again)
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    Oh, wait 'til patsgo gets a hold of this thread.
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    I agree on ALL of those. I'm sure there are others, but I'm also sure that I'm lazy so I'll just leave it at that. Good thread, thanks Patsfaninpa.
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    For the record, I think that Rosie has a monster year, especially with all the attention that AD will draw.
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    Improve:

    Maroney
    Dave Thomas
    Watson

    Decline:

    Bruschi (love the guy but he is getting up there)
    Samuel (I think teams will throw to him less)

    Beyond that it's hard to say.
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    I think the right tackle spot will be better, whether Kaczur or O'Callaghan. Dave Thomas is a good choice as well. Finally, I think Seymour will bounce back from what was a good season for anyone else, sub-par for him. As for declining, I refuse to acknowledge that anyone will be worse.
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    fortune cookie says improved, thomas, maroney,o'callagan, fortune cookie saye deline caldwell,gostowski, and, samuel ahhhh sooooo
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    One of the interesting prospects here is Caldwell - love him or hate him he definately developed a rhythm with Brady toward the end of the season.

    While he had far too many short passes for my taste last year (i.e. not enough deep routes) that's not the same problem this year with Stallworth on the team (crossing fingers - if he remains healthy)

    With JUST Caldwell and Watson as short to mid range threats defenses were keyed to both of them and played them very tight, with Watson having a routine double team, limiting catches and yards after the catch.

    Now with so many receiving threats - including a bonafide deep threat - the game is going to open up for everyone on the field, including Caldwell but especially Watson.

    The flip side of the coin is that they will continue to spread the ball - but I think everyone, even if they have fewer catches, will be much more productive when they do catch passes.

    I'm looking forward to it!
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    The flip side for Asante Samuel is one reason he may come to an agreement

    on a new contract before he is locked into the one year franchise contract.
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    Hobbs is up for a big year. hes a hard worker and with teams aware of Asante they might target Hobbs more and since hes going to work hard and compete every day, he'll suprise some. Eugene Wilson will also improve if healthy. I see Wilfork having a big year aswell. Offensivly..Watson because he wont be doubled as much and hes aware he needs to work on a few things..hes a smart guy and he'll fix his problems
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    Maroney. The guy is way overrated.
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    What's your beef with a rookie who ran for 745 yards at 4.3 per, ran for 6 TD's, had 22 catches for another TD, was second in the league in kick returns, and played his last 4+ games hurt as hell?

    Did he stiff you on a tip at Red Robin, or something?
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    Never liked him after I saw him play against Penn St.in his last season at Mn. Got hit hard early & played very timid the rest of the game. IMOP he was the 4th best rb in the draft last year.
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    My under the radar choices:

    Improve:

    Dave Thomas (alright, he's not so "under the radar" :p )
    Mills
    Wilson
    Light

    Decline:

    Hawkins
    Brown - even if he comes back, I expect him to be the role player he was supposed to be last year.

    I expect guys like Maroney and Mankins to continue their ascent up and someone like Bruschi to continue his descent.
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    Besides those mentioned (especially Wright & Thomas), I think Sanders will continue to show improvement. Sadly, Tedy & Rodney are on the back nine of their Hall of Fame careers.
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    Players likely to perform better in 2007:

    - Ty Warren: Quietly becoming a force on the defensive line. I anticipate that the addition of Ad Thomas, Warren will become a greater, more visible force on the defense and earn himself some national recognition. Pats fans know how good he is and I think his numbers will be better in 2007.

    - Vince Wilfork: I think 2006 was a hell of a year for VW and it is hard to think that his numbers will be better in 2007 with his role being to stay at the line of scrimmage and hold up line men. Nevertheless, Bill knows best and if VW can provide a sequel to 2006, the defense will be better and he will deserve some of the credit.

    - Ben Watson: Every year there is this expectation that he will break out, so why would this year be any different? Sure Brady has more targets and Ben won't necessarily set a record for receptions by a tight end. What he will do is get the mismatches and be able to display his freakish abilities every Sunday and a Monday or two. Less receptions, big yards and always a red zone threat.

    - Laurence Maroney: Assuming he comes back from this shoulder injury/surgery, I think he will have a solid season. The primary logic behind this assumption (or rather hopeful desire) is that he will get more carries and won't be called upon to return kicks. I think he has the motor and power to be a stud and with other weapons on that defense, it is hard to vote against him having a statistically better 2007.

    - Randall Gay and Ellis Hobbs: Gay missed last season, so any on field production is better than none at all. I have to think he is rested and eager to get on the field and earn his next paycheck. Hobbs had flashes of dominance and other moments were full of disappointment. Both corners will benefit from pressure from the defensive line and blitzing linebackers. If Harrison and Wilson can contribute, it will only allow both corners to look better. I do trust that QBs will pass to their side more often after Samuel's big 2006.

    - Gostkowski: How does a year under a rookie belt make this guy worse? If the guy can nail a kick against the Chargers, in San Diego, with the game on the line, I think he can overcome a sophmore slump. 2006 was good and there is no reason to think different in 2007.

    - Kaczur and Mankins: Got the impression that Kaczur was still getting comfortable, but Mankins was a force that make mistakes like any other o-linemen in the league (even the quality veterans). Neither are going to the pro bowl, but neither leave room to think they are going to drop off in 2007. Marginal gains are to be expected.

    - Dave Thomas: I don't think the Pats drafted the guy just to have him play scout team offense. The guy makes legitimate catches and seems to find open areas of the field to sit down in. Seemed Brady was tossing him high passes, making the rookie earn his numbers and if Brady can improve that accurracy, Thomas will have a better 2007 as a pass catcher.

    Decliners:

    - Bruschi: I've said this all along, the guy has lost a step or two and shows up a second late on tackles and opponent receptions. No longer will we see Bruschi driving and interception a ball in the endzone. The only way he will pull down his interception is if he puts himself in the right spot on the field, which he is surely capable of doing. Still a leader on this defense and the team is better with him at this stage of his career than without him. He just isn't as dominate as he has been in times past.

    - Mike Vrbal: Word of some injuries have me thinking that he will be a bit slower in 2007. Like Bruschi, I think he makes the team better even though he isn't as good as he was. The guy just has the smarts and other intangibles to contribute to the team and make this team better. Doubt he has a significant drop off, but I think it is the beginning of the end (but the end is a far way off, see Roman Phifer).

    - Caldwell: No longer the go to guy, or is he? For some reason I think he ridded himself of the droppsies last season because he knew he had the offense on his shoulders. With Donte, Washington and Welker, I wonder if the wide eye receiver will be looking over his shoulder, over think his role on this team and lose esteem and concetration on the field. I have a feeling he could be the closest think to a one year wonder as a football player could be.

    - Marquise Hill: I'll be surprised if he makes it onto the roster for 2007.

    - Chad Jackson: I spy a "IR" tag on the gator.

    - Eugene Wilson: In my opinion, I think he is the underrated version of Reggie Nelson. Both are one dimensional safeties and that is one reason I don't see selecting Nelson to be a significant upgrade to the Patriots. That said, Wilson has regressed over the last two seasons and seems to be insignificant if Harrison isn't playing next to him.
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    Marquise Hill for sure...1st rounds of cuts...800k off the books

    Action Jackson...IR...frees up a roster spot for productive replacement

    2 huge improvements
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    I agree with the people who say Hobbs. In the preseason and early in the season, he was our #1 CB. Breaking his wrist pretty much ruined any chance of having a good season. He is a physical player and he played the season without the use of one of his hands which was evident that it was a hinderance when he tried to tackle receivers and basically had to bring them down with one arm,

    I expect him to breat out this up coming season. Teams will try to pick on him early because they won't want to throw to Samuel. That may end up being a mistake.

    As for the guy who will decline, I think it is Brischi. He was really showing his age late in the season last year and I think he is starting to become a liability in coverage. He was uncharacteristically out of position quite a bit in coverage last year. Hard to see since he is one of my all time favorite Patriots.
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    I've seen dozens of top-shelf running backs get their bell rung and look timid for the rest of the game. Getting hit by 300-lb guys does that sometimes.
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    Someone else mentioned Wilson. I would love to see him reach the level he played at his rookie year. He has been on the decline each of the last couple of years, mostly due to injury. My hope is that he stays healthy and is productive. I fear he doesn't have a choice. If he fails to produce, I doubt he is even in a similar thread this time next year.

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