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Who has the better career coaching W-L percentage? (regular season)

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    Of the players who didn't play last Sunday, which one do we really need to play, and play well this Sunday.

    Big Vince, Ben Watson, Maroney, or Rodney, which would have the biggest impact on the game this Sunday.

    As much as I love Rodney, I think Big Vince is the guy that we really need this Sunday. His value to the team is under rated by many. He would be the clog in the middle to help contain Jax's running game.
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    After seeing Texas run all over us last week, I'm saying we need big Vince. I think we can still win, but I think it will be a tough tough tough game this Sunday. I don't see Vince playing as the media has yet to see him in practice.
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    The fact the media has not seen Wilfork in the 10 minutes of practice they're allowed to watch means nothing. In fact, if there was one week where BB's injury shell game comes into play more than ever, it's this one, and with this particular player. It wouldn't surprise me to see Wilfork miss this week, but it wouldn't surprise me if he played either.
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    I think Watson. If Garrard and his receiving corps are mediocre, which appears to be the case, then we'll put up more bodies to stop the run, and we'll be okay even without Vince. On the other hand, our O is really poor. It's easy to shut down our receivers. We need Watson back because he's our best receiver. With him playing, then we have a well-rounded offense that can run or throw. Right now, we're one dimensional, and that's our big problem, especially against a team that's motivated.
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    Wilfork, and it's not even close. Jax has a big, physical O line and we need Vince "the immovable object" Wilfork to clog things up in the middle.
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    Willie Andrews - to ensure the Jags start no further along than the 20-25.
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    I agree with this here Degenerate.
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    I'm willing to clog the box, in lieu of having Vince occupy a double team half a yard into the backfield every other play and take a chance on the Jag receivers and Gerrard scoring on us. Maroney is worth 10 points to the offense. Gerrard and the Jag wideouts will do well if they get one big play that leads to a TD. That sounds like a good tradeoff to me. Vince can take the next two weeks off to rest up for the second season.
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    I'd have to say Maroney. Need to get him in space to keep them from overpowering us on the inside. Rodney won't be a force for a little while. We'll need 8 in the box with or without Vince. If it's Maroney or Watson, I'll take Maroney.
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    Not real good news on Watson or Wilfork, have not been seen on the field for the media portion of the practice.. unless something remarkable happens today, do not see either one of them on Sunday.. unless BB is pulling a rope a doppa.
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    Wilfork for me. Maroney would be nice to have but with Dillon and Faulk, i don't think his loss is as critical as Wilfork. As much as I like Rodney, we've played adequately without him the last six weeks or so. Watson would be nice as well but again i think the defense against the run has suffered without wilfork especially considering that Junior is out also.
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    I voted for Wilfork. We're up against possibly two excellent backs with Jacksonville, and it will be a blowout if they can run on us and control the clock.

    After that, I would say O'C. My eyeballs tell me our run game was a ton better when he was in there early in the season. I don't think Kaczur has sufficient functional strength to play RT, he's more a finesse guy and was actually better last year at LT. O'C is a classic RT road grader. I think we've missed him.

    The other key guy I'm worried about is Faulk, especially if Maroney doesn't play. Our RB play from scrimmage has been mediocre this year; it's Faulk and Maroney's receiving and returning that has been exceptional. With our mediocre WR corps and unreliable TE's, we need Faulk and Maroney in the passing and returning game.

    If we lack Wilfork, Faulk, and Maroney, this could be a very bad Sunday.
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    Another product of my FO fetish, a comparison of the Jac backs with ours:

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb.php

    Jacksonville:

    Taylor
    22.1 Rushing DPAR (11th), 11.8% DVOA (9th)
    3.0 Receiving DPAR (22nd), 10.4% DVOA (17th)
    25.1 combined DPAR​
    Jones-Drew
    21.1 Rushing DPAR (14th), 23.1% DVOA (5th)
    9.3 Receiving DPAR (4th), 30.7% DVOA (4th)
    30.4 combined DPAR​

    New England:

    Dillon
    8.8 Rushing DPAR (27th) , -1.2% DVOA (28th)
    0.5 Receiving DPAR, -4.1% DVOA
    9.3 Combined DPAR​
    Maroney
    3.5 Rushing DPAR (36th), -8.5% DVOA (35th)
    5.4 Receiving DPAR (13th), 30.6% DVOA (5th)
    8.9 Combined DPAR​
    Faulk
    2.3 Rushing DPAR, 15.1% DVOA
    8.2 Receiving DPAR (8th), 21.1% DVOA (10th)
    10.5 combined DPAR​


    Of course OL performance is a major synergy with rushing, and there are others, but the net effect is that Jacksonville has a vastly better running game than we do, and their backs are comparable receivers. But Maroney and Faulk are major special team contributors as well, not reflected in these stats.

    But maybe you can see why I dread Wilfork being out and hope O'C can return to maybe boost what is now a terrible running game. And we need one of Faulk or Maroney healthy or were in trouble offensively and with returns.
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    I share your dread. I, too, hope that O'C can return and contribute. At this point, I wouldn't mind seeing Wesley Britt at RT. I thought he had an outstanding game vs. the Bengals. Kaczur and Light, perhaps still recovering from last year's injuries, haven't done the job. I hope they are indeed still recovering, because if this is the best they have, then we're in the doo-doo.
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    On defense, we've lost both Wilfork and Seau in the middle since the Chicago game, and of course Rodney before that. That's a lot of run stopping talent lost, especially inside. Jacksonville is by far the best rushing offense we've faced this season. I'm nervous as can be.

    I can tell you this, if Jacksonville comes out and breaks long runs on us -- which no one has done this season -- I'm not staying up to watch the rest of this game in real time (it comes on at 2AM here).

    Fortunately Jacksonville is even more inconsistent than we are, so there's really no telling what will happen...
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    If Wilfork is hors de combat, then I say it's time to see what LeKevin Smith has.

    P.S.: 2AM??
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    He "played" last week.
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    Rodney without a doubt. Not only for his play, but for his leadership. Hes like the QB for our defense.

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