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    Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    2013 Cap Space
    Team Carryover Total space
    Arizona $3.6M -$723,000
    Atlanta $307,000 $4.9M
    Baltimore $1.2M $15.7M
    Buffalo $9.8M $20.6M
    Carolina $3.6M -$11.8M
    Chicago $3.2M $13.3M
    Cincinnati $8.5M $55.1M
    Cleveland $14.3M $48.9M
    Dallas $2.3M -$18.2M
    Denver $11.5M $18.5M
    Detroit $486,000 -$1.1M
    Green Bay $7M $7.1M
    Houston $2.4M $12.9M
    Indianapolis $3.5M $46M
    Jacksonville $19.5M $22.1M
    Kansas City $14M $16.1M
    Miami $5.3M $35.8M
    Minnesota $8M $16.1M
    New England $5.6M $18.6M
    New Orleans $2.7M -$14.7M
    NY Giants $1M -$4.7M
    NY Jets $3.4M -$19.4M
    Oakland $4.5M -$4.5M
    Philadelphia $23M $5.2M
    Pittsburgh $758,000 -$10.8M
    San Diego $995,000 $8.7M
    San Fran $859,000 $3.9M
    Seattle $13.2M $18.6M
    St. Louis $247,000 $1.8M
    Tampa Bay $8.5M $31.3M
    Tennessee $12.8M $19.4M
    Washington $4.2M -$4M
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    Re: Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    With just $4 Mil of cap space and no first round draft picks until sometime next century, I imagine that Dan Snyder is hoping that RGIII's surgery was successful. ;)
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    Re: Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    look at all the space cleveland and cincy and indy have. How'd they do that? Must be a lot of good players on their teams becoming UFAs?

    Sign Hartline, Jarius Byrd, Edelman, Talib and rookies and let vollmer and welker go. That's about all they can do.

    Knew it was a big mistake signing mankins to a huge contract. They didn't miss much when he was out.
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    Re: Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    anyone have any idea if the Fanene 3.5 Mill is gone? Or is that still a pending decision?
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    Re: Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    I wonder if Cleveland would make a run at Wes Welker. They have Josh Gordon as a deep threat and Trent Richardson running the ball. They need a TE and a slot guy....and possibly a QB but WW would help Weeden's development. Their defense is pretty solid.
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    LOL @ The Cardinals. Whoa @ Cincy and Miami.
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    Re: Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    So how does this all work with the new CBA? Aren't all NFL teams supposed to spend to 98% of the cap?
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    bahahahahaha.

    As for
    Flacco is asking for far more than 15.7M per year.
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    They're welcome to him, at 9M a year or whatever he wants. Not sure how they got all that room, I thought the rule was you had to spend a minimum % of the cap, like 80% or something.
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    Jake Long will take a chunk of that Miami money. Hartline will probably stay as they have the dollars.
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    Re: Salary Cap - $18.6Mil for NE

    I have no idea what that $18.6M number means for NE. What is the source, and at what point in time was it published? How many players were signed for 2013 when that number was published?

    Jason's latest numbers from NYJetsCap.com for the Pats lists 52 players signed. That doesn't include Jason Vega, nor guys whom the Pats still retain contractural rights to such as Myron Pyror and Tony Fiammetta. I don't know if it factors in the recent bonuses that were reported a few days ago. Jason's number is that those 52 players have a cap hit of $105,402,517. In addition, he lists a dead money hit for 2013 of $4,516,196, which brings the total to just under $110M.

    http://www.nyjetscap.com/Patriots/patriots2013.php

    Add in the additional contracts, and I'm guessing we're currently around $10M under the estimated $121M 2013 cap. I'm certainly no capologist, and could be wrong. But roughly $10M doesn't seem like a lot of space given the following unsigned players:

    - WR Wes Welker
    - OT Sebastian Vollmer
    - CB Aqib Talib
    - RB Danny Woodhead
    - WR/KR Julian Edelman
    - CB Kyle Arrington
    - CB Marquise Cole
    - OL Donald Thomas
    - TE Jake Ballard (RFA)
    - LB Dane Fletcher (RFA)
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    Supposedly, the word down in Miami is that they may let Long walk this offseason. Injury history as well as fit within the blocking scheme may make him expendable to the Dolphins.
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    If I were Miami, I would think long (ha!) and hard about that decision.
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    From that site:

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    Miami being 35.8 mil under is a mirage. They have Jake Long, Randy Starks, Reggie Bush, Sean Smith, Chris Clemons, Anthony Fasano, and Brian Hartline all as FAs.

    The only three teams that can do what they please are the Browns, Colts, and Bengals. The Bengals and Colts are the most interesting. The Bengals get Kirkpatrick back from IR, have one 1st and two 2nds, along with a ton of cap room. If Dalton shows another year of improvement the Bengals have the AFCN. The Colts could really bolster their OL and get a solid defense for Luck.
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    Give Welker a contract with a couple of years to it, re-structure Mankins, and the team is alright money wise.
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    Long and his agent know that Miami is flush with cash.

    Speculation is that Miami will let him go.
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    As well they probably should. Long isn't/won't be worth whatever he gets contract-wise.
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    Wrong Long

    I thought Howie was his Father.
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    Out of all those contracts, I can see Miami picking up Bush, Clemons, and maybe Hartline's contracts. Long, Starks, and Smith will probably walk. Miami, oddly, also has a ton of draft picks this year in a draft where their needs have a very deep class.
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    I don't think long will be in MIA. I know he's good..but he's been on the decline as of late..they will let him walk.

    Miami is a crap ton of $$. Pats are in good shape...jets are F'ed but they are expected to drop all of that dead weight on D

    Cincy at $55? WOW and we play them next year..they will have some good players on that team.

    pitt is also screwed
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    Two points here:

    (1) Worst case scenario, Fletcher gets a minimum-tender RFA. Best-case scenario, they give him a deal like they gave Woodhead that has a lower cap hit.

    (2) Ballard's not even an RFA. Because he spent the entire season on PUP (rather than IR, as Fletcher did), his contract tolled, so he's still an ERFA.
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    I forgot about their draft picks from Vontae Davis and Brandon Marshall. They do have plenty of draft resources. However, Miami becoming a 12-4 team and challenging the Pats instead of their annual 7-9/8-8 mediocrity depends entirely on Tannehill. I don't see him panning out, but we'll see. If they kept Marshall and drafted Russell Wilson, now that would've been scary.
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    2013 NFL Minimum Salary Levels:

    Rookie - $405,000
    1 year - $480,000
    2 years - $555,000
    3 years - $630,000
    4-6 years - $715,000
    7-9 years - $840,000
    10+ years - $940,000

    ERFA - $555,000
    RFA Tender - $1,323,000 (ROFR & pick in round player was originally drafted)

    If I'm not mistaken, Ballard should be tendered at the ERFA level.

    2013 New England Patriots RFAs

    Dane Fletcher
    Michael Hoomanawanui
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    You should also remember that Ireland will probably find a way to screw up those draft picks. :D
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    This is why it is important to let go of Welker. 18 mil in cap space would quickly shrink to 8 or 9 mil.
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    Yeah. It's not like you can structure his contract to push a good amount of money into the final years of his deal, or restructure other contracts on the team to save cap room in the short term.
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    Sign Woodhead, Edelman, Vollmer, Talib
    Let Welker, Arrington, Chung go
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    The Dolphins definitely don't want to put too much money into Jake Long, because he's been on a steady decline for most of his NFL career.

    The problem is that his current back and last year's second round pick, Jonathan Martin, is terrible. He's the guy that got bull-rushed by Derrick Martin.
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