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Where is Cassel's most likely landing spot in 2009

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    I am curious to where people think Cassel will land next year. My gut tells me the Pats are going to tag and trade since it makes sense as long as they can do it without cutting players to be under the cap.

    My guess is San Francisco is the most logical landing destination. Why.

    1. The Pats are going to do everything to keep Cassel out of NYJ and MIA.

    2. The teams with high first round draft picks are going to go after the bumper crop of college QB's coming out like Sam Bradford. SF will likely pick after these guys are gone leaving them in the cold. The perceived value is Cassel can play ASAP and fill a glaring hole.

    In addition, the Pats would welcome a pick outside the top 10 to avoid big signing bonuses like they did with Mayo last year.

    3. SF wants to win now with Singletary with the coach and the big FA's they signed in recent years. They have played well down the stretch despite having poor QB play.

    4. Cassel is a west coast guy and wants to be closer to home.
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    What about Da Bears? I heard they're not very happy with Orton.
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    Washington redskins? Cassel could be throwing to another moss.
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    I would not be at all surprised to see Matt Cassel in a Patriots uniform next year. He is the ultimate insurance policy at this point, just in case.
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    If the rest of the nfl was smart and decided to wait out the patriots and not give a 1st round pick for Cassel, then most likely the Detroit lions will give their 2nd round pick for Cassel. The patriots will probally take the 2nd round from the Detroit lions.
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    That would be awesome. We would have two picks in a row and Cassel would be responsible for both of them!!!!!!
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    If Brady is a question mark, Cassel will be in New England next year. If Brady is not really considered a question mark by Belioli, I'd expect there to be interest from more than one team in the group of:

    Detroit
    Minnesota
    Chicago
    San Francisco
    Tampa
    St. Louis

    There are other teams that I could see pondering making a move (Seattle, K.C.), but i'd expect that the likelihood would be dependent upon who was coaching/GMing.

    I don't think that there are enough draft picks in the world to get the Patriots to trade him to the Jets or Dolphins.
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    Willingly, yes. But it only costs two firsts if the JEST or LOLphins sign him to an offer sheet. Then again, I think the LOLphins are happy enough with Pennington; they have him signed through next year for about $6M a year. The JEST, though. . . . :mad:
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    I expect that New England would use the exclusive tag if Belioli were to think that the Jets or Dolphins would sign Cassel to that sheet.
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    Personally, I disagree--I don't think their asking price would be two firsts for the teams that they're willing to trade with, so their goal would be to make it as expensive as possible for the JEST to get him. [Remember, to use the exclusive franchise tag would require the Pats to pay the higher of the top 5 average in 2008 or the top 5 average in 2009.]
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    You could be right. I just think that the emnity between New England and the Jets is so strong right now that Belioli would put a hit on Cassel before letting him go to New York.
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    I would take Detroit out of that group. I see them taking Sam Bradford #1 if he comes out. Seattle, KC, and St Louis can get Stratford and are rebuilding projects as well. I am unsure if Cassel wants to go to team where he will be in his 30's when they have a hot to win.

    Chicago and Minnesota would be ideal spots for Cassel. Both are good teams that would be at the next level with a good QB.

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    I would have to say Chicago would be his best bet if he's looking for a team with playoff potential right away, followed perhaps by Tampa. That being said, I will still put money on him being a Patriot next year.
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    I think detroit's franchise is in such a bad state, qb is too big of a gamble at 1 overall.
    Go the Miami model and try to build up both lines. Get a qb whom is ready immediately.
    Plus, he isn't that old. I would take their 2nd rounder. 33 for M.Cassel. Gives them a
    chance to get a couple of linemen. Say, A.Smith - T - Alabama. And, a pass-rusher
    Selvie or E.Brown with Dallas pick.
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    I agree. Spend basically the same money for a proven 4 year vet than for a rookie. Than use the draft to bolster the line. Personally, I see the Lions giving us their #1 in the 20's. Than with their 1st overall a quality OT and then essentially for their #20'ish (that they give to us) they get their QB.
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    If Cassel has any say over the situation, I would avoid Detroit like the plague. The only exception would be if McDaniels becomes the HC. I am sure Cassel will have some input since the Pats could get nailed by the NFL for playing games with the tag.

    Although I think Cassel would do well for several teams, I think SF is the best fit since they would likely win the NFC West with good QB play in 2009 given the sorry shape of the NFC West. Chicago or Minnesota would be a good fit as well although Chicago has a long history of messing up QB's.
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    Yeah, I'd forgot about SanFran there. He'd do well out there, and besides, he's a left coast guy anyway, like Brady.
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    I think your reasoning is right on but I don't believe the Pats can get a 1st or high 2nd for Cassel. Cassel wouldn't be under contract so a team would need to give him a significant bonus. A top pick and serious guaranteed coin for a player with one year of starting experience is a huge risk. I think a 3rd is about the ceiling on the market for Cassel. For the Pats, that isn't significantly higher than the likely comp pick if Cassel signs a market deal elsewhere. Unfortunately we missed out on the Fins business plan of trading 2nd round picks for quarterbacks...
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    Does anyone know the projected cap space of teams in 2009? Espeically ones that are in need of a QB. Chances are those will be the teams ready to sign him.
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    I hope we dont hurry up and trade him right away. We still dont know how Brady is, and Cassel would be a nice backup, with a big possibility of getting some playing time.

    We could also use him to make sure Brady heals right, and not make him hurry to get back up
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    Not as big a risk as usng a top draft pick of a QB out of college, like Carr or harrington or Young or Russel. At least with Cassel you know he can read defenses and make the NFL throws and can stand in the pocket.
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    In the meantime, we have most of our cap money tied up and cannot sign FAs, though. I wouldn't mind seeing us use that cap money to blast out of the gate March one with a flurry of signings like we did in 2007.
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    Im not saying we shouldnt trade him. Im saying that we should weigh our options before we do. Teams are going to be killing themselves for Cassel. We should not be in a hurry. They NEED him. So we can wait until training camp. Or maybe before, but we should make sure.
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    A 3rd is the ceiling for Cassel?? :confused: Riight, I got a bridge in alaska I can sell you too. Cassel gets a 1st round pick in return book it. Now if it's multiple picks like 2 2nds, that might work out too, but I'd prefer offers with a 1st round pick first.
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    I am convinced we would get a first. Look at what Houston gave up to get Matt Schaub on two games worth of performance. I do not think it will be a top 10 but the pick will be a 1.

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